Nick Collias: We are rolling. Hey, here we are. We are rolling people. Hello and good morning. Welcome to this The Bodybuilding.com Podcast, I’m Nick Collias leading in these parts. I'm wearing a hat today. I don’t care. Everyone wears hats today.
Matt Vincent: Hats.
Bonnie Schroeder: No, I missed this note.
Kailan Kalina: She missed the note.
Matt Vincent: We will change.
Kailan: I got black ones. And they are sweet.
Nick: So, today for the second time I accept the duties of co-chair Miss Cailan. She is the editor here, a competitive powerlifter.
Regular listeners, if we have any of them, they can remember her from a recent episode that we did with Laura Phelps.
Matt Vincent: Nicely.
Nick: The first woman to sit down at 700, do you guys know Laura?
Bonnie Schroeder: Of course yes.
Matt Vincent: Yes, Laura is very, very strong.
Kailan: Laura is awesome. She is very cool.
Nick: This is a wild story when she said: “Hey, I'm going to try 600. Hey, 600 is gone. I think I’ll try six, oh, and, hey, I’ll try 700. "
Matt Vincent: And she did all this also through Westside.
Nick: Right which
Kailan: Yes, for 10 years.
Nick: And the funniest thing I remember was asking her, you know, injuries? And she says: “No, in fact, there have never been any injuries. If you think about it, I’ve never been sick. ”
Bonnie Schroeder: Come on. Come on.
Nick: I was like "Really? Have you ever been sick? "
Bonnie Schroeder: She is og.
Matt Vincent: Now these elevators are fitted, right?
Bonnie Schroeder: Yeah.
Nick: Yes, focused on gills.
Bonnie Schroeder: "Adapted to the gills." It's funny
Nick: Yeah. But still. But anyway-
Matt Vincent: I don’t take anything from her. I just realized I was doing both powerlifting and sports
Nick: And, probably, we should introduce you, by the way. We have two guests today. One of them is Matt Vincent. In general, he is a two-time world champion in highland games. You have done a lot, all kinds
Matt Vincent: The average of many power sports was good at one.
Nick: Also, the founder of HVIII Brand Goods, H-V-I-I-I.
Matt Vincent: Yes, all three are me. Nailed it.
Nick: A clothing line with several lifting accessories and coffee cups with the inscription:
Matt Vincent: "Kick the dick today."
Nick: "Kick the dick today." Is this a big seller?
Matt Vincent: Yes it was. This is a kind of common motto of life.
Nick: I think that you would like to say in the chair of your CEO with a big cigar that we again do not have cups for a member, someone has prepared a few more cups for a member!
Bonnie Schroeder: Where is this chair?
Matt Vincent: Chairman of the Board? Bring them. I do a lot of things. Buy a lot, sell, shout on the phone.
Kailan: A lot of cigars
Matt Vincent: This is what the life of the CEO is. A company with an “a” employee itself.
Nick: Matt also has one article on Bodybuilding.com about five years ago. I don’t know if you remember this?
Matt Vincent: Right. Holy shit.
Nick: I remember this because I was the one who … I read Power magazine. We signed a reissue contract with them, and it was like I love it. This is a great article on hip mobility. I think this is called “Unlock the power of your hips.”
Matt Vincent: And now I'm a cripple.
Nick: Do not read this article.
Matt Vincent: It will hurt you.
Nick: And here we also have Bonnie Schroeder, alternately known as BonSchro. Some people say, “Oh, Bonshro. I don’t know who Bonnie Schroeder is. ”
Nick: Powerlifter, trainer, also a strength training athlete. You guys love to travel, right?
Bonnie Schroeder: Yes, this is a good way to express it.
Matt Vincent: I think yes. Mostly trouble in people's gyms.
Nick: You had a blog called Drift Rise.
Matt Vincent: I did it. Here's how it all started. Yeah.
Nick: So, tell us a little about what lifestyle you lead and about travels in general, because you have been doing this for some time.
Matt Vincent: I really like it. I always liked traveling, even when I went to college and started athletics, and that we went every week and gathered for competitions. I really loved it, and being in new places, and checking out gyms, and getting the opportunity to train or compete with other guys.
Matt Vincent: And so, after that, and then did some powerlifting and a strong man after I could not own a bike shop.
Nick: But also, like adventures, we just talked before we started [crosstalk 00:03:19],
Matt Vincent: All in all, I just want to travel.
Nick: [inaudible 00:03:21] Dinnie stones around the world.
Matt Vincent: I feel that this is part of the story of the power we made. And for me, especially after participating in the Scottish Highland games and something that has a strange story
Matt Vincent: In some games that I made in Scotland, you will get there and they will have a field record with a stone lift or … even like their Bremar stone. Right. And it’s like, well, this record … We used the same stone in this game for 700 years. I say: "Oh, my country is not very old."
Nick: Here, try it.
Matt Vincent: Yeah. Right. So-
Bonnie Schroeder: Well, it’s so unbelievable that these stones have such a draw.
Matt Vincent: Yeah. Or they like
Bonnie Schroeder: They will attract the most powerful people in the world.
Matt Vincent: Yes, like a Husafell stone, Dinnie stones and all that. Right. Have only a certain seriousness: if you spend there long enough, the most powerful people will come to you, and this is an inanimate object that all these people use. [crosstalk 00:04:09]
Nick: I feel a little lively, although I imagine.
Matt Vincent: It certainly has its own spirit and, as you know, something to become a part of.
Nick: Well, yes, and I mean that I read a lot about stone lifting. I, too, was completely fascinated by this. I just imagine, however, that this was all the journey it took to get there, and the whole story that you had in mind when you get there, do you come to what it feels like? Are you just terrified? Like everything is all right, here it is. I have no idea what to expect, or are you just ready for this moment?
Matt Vincent: You are pretty ready. But like Husafell, for example. For me, this is one thing to train him, and this is one thing to do a Husafell stone transportation or stone transportation here in the States, and it’s another to take a flight and go to Iceland, and then find out where and a half hours outside Reykjavik, he lies in this area.
Nick: And you get there and say, "Oh, it's a stone."
Matt Vincent: This is a stone in the field. Close to other rocks.
Nick: Exactly, exactly. We could show you some stones here that would probably be a similar climbing experience.
Matt Vincent: That's right. But he has this story, and she is there, and she is waiting, and so on. But you have to go, this is not the same as saying: "Well, I made the equivalent."
Bonnie Schroeder: Right. Yeah. I am very happy. We are going to Iceland in October.
Matt Vincent: Yeah.
Kailan: So cool.
Nick: We will be there for three weeks.
Bonnie Schroeder: I will see some of these things for the first time.
Matt Vincent: Yeah. Train with friends and hang out.
Nick: Is there a little stone raising?
Matt Vincent: Probably no. But I'll go look at it again.
Bonnie Schroeder: Go look at that.
Matt Vincent: I put my hands on this several times.
Nick: But are you guys now on a trip?
Matt Vincent: Yeah. Right.
Nick: For example, where did you sleep last night? This is the wrong answer.
Bonnie Schroeder: We did Airbnb last night. This is likely to be the only or all of this trip, though. Right? So, we’ve been on the road for a month now. Probably in about a month. And the whole plan is to set up camp or stay with friends.
Matt Vincent: Yeah. Camp. At friends, try to raise, train some types of physical activity every day. It seems like an almost perfect day is how to get up, work out, eat, chat for a bit, do some work, and then do something in the afternoon, whether it's a bike ride, a hike or something like that. go do swim.
Bonnie Schroeder: There is a lot of it all.
Matt Vincent: Right. That is why we went north, where the temperature of the sun is not.
Bonnie Schroeder: Yes, the first night camp in Kansas was a little warm, but not bad. We survived, and then we stayed with a friend in Denver. Then we drove to Salt Lake City, stayed with a friend, Airbnb last night. And we're going to camp tonight, and then after that, there will be a lot more camping.
Matt Vincent: A lot more camping.
Bonnie Schroeder: So, we are looking forward to it.
Matt Vincent: Far enough in the north, good weather at night. I do not sleep outdoors if the temperature is above 70 degrees.
Bonnie Schroeder: No he loves [crosstalk 00:06:32] this is.
Matt Vincent: The heat is like the sun.
Kailan: What inspired you to ride your guys?
Matt Vincent: I have done this in the last year. I traveled a lot over the past 10 years. I just had a sales job in everyday life. And then I always liked to travel, and therefore I had any excuse, even when I participated in the competition, I participated in the competition 23 times a year, and in about a six-month window. So this is almost every weekend. I flew on Friday, competed on Saturday, Sunday, flew home on Monday. And I love that. It never hurts me. And now that I have set up the truck as I have, and I don’t have a real job.
Bonnie Schroeder: Right. Well, none of us do.
Matt Vincent: Technically unemployed.
Nick: Just selling Dick cups.
Matt Vincent: Yeah. Selling Dick cups and T-shirts as if I'm amazed, it works. Thank you guys. And then the other things that I have done, and since I don’t need to be in any place, and I don’t have an office or without nine to five, how do I want to take advantage, can I stand what I do for live and create content, and essentially fuck for a month, you know, be on the go, go check out the gyms and do what I want to do.
Matt Vincent: I mean me, my idea of freedom and all that I want to wake up and do what I want every day.
Nick: I want to ask you a little about how you make power part of this power trip. You mentioned that you go to different gyms, go into the city. Do you just start going to gyms right away?
Matt Vincent: Wonderful Instagram – people will give you 9 million recommendations. But we were really lucky, because I mean that I have been involved in sports for the past 23 years, and then I went in for power sports, and I started traveling with my original job and going into gyms and meeting people. And I built a really strange network, because there aren’t as many people in it as mine. And so, the people who were in him as much as I do, we all now know each other and are friends.
Matt Vincent: So, I mean, we toured the East Coast, and we were able to stop and practice at, you know, a train in the Elite and train in Sorinex and other amazing companies that I know and people. So, it was the world's largest private tour to the gym.
Nick: This is cool.
Matt Vincent: This is what we are constantly.
Bonnie Schroeder: In essence.
Nick: Sorry, but on your YouTube channel I saw how you did this really cool tour of your cheated Toyota Tundra, or you can live it. But I didn’t see one thing anywhere, and it was something like: “Oh, here, here are my groups, here is my ski rack with a barbell in it, or like a child seat with a weight in it, or something like that” .
Bonnie Schroeder: We do not travel with any equipment.
Nick: I was going to ask you. Yeah. Is there an arsenal of torture devices?
Bonnie Schroeder: I mean, a mountain bike is tough enough. You can find effort anywhere, man. And, as I really liked the idea of making it simple, as far as my training requirements I have. I don't play sports anymore. So if I'm still trying to train, compete and play Highland games at a high level, this should be more focused.
Bonnie Schroeder: Be a little tougher.
Matt Vincent: But since then I just want to be stronger, I want to feel better and I want to have almost all my strength now, it’s like a deposit in my account, which gives me the opportunity to do more things.
Nick: It makes sense.
Matt Vincent: I just want to be prepared for everything that pops up. It's like, hey, let's go for a bike ride. I'm physically fit enough that I can do this or hike, and you know, cool. Like I never did a 10 mile hike, yes.
Kailan: Right. And this is not always your story. You have experienced severe weight loss from chronic pain and all that. So maybe this is a whole new way of life.
Matt Vincent: I know very, very well what the other side of the coin feels, the inability to do anything. And therefore, although I have the opportunity to push and go and be active, I am very grateful that I was able to do this, and I am going to do it completely.
Bonnie Schroeder: Completely.
Matt Vincent: So.
Bonnie Schroeder: Yes, and as if you, I mean, I think that many people in power sports are so keen on what they are doing, and it is amazing, addictive and fun. But as soon as you understand that there is everything, like hiking and bicycles, and all this is so cool. And then when you travel, you can do all these things. It’s like, you know, I think this is what I need to say, I mean, I hate the word “balance” –
Matt Vincent: Balance?
Bonnie Schroeder: But once you realize that you can do both of these things. And still be in great shape and meet really cool people who have other hobbies than yours. It’s as if there is something more than simple: “Oh, yes, the bar”, the campaigns are so good. I like it. It is healing.
Kailan: Yes it.
Bonnie Schroeder: After that, you feel so good, although you know that your legs are tired and did a cardio workout. But it is so therapeutic, and just being in nature was so good for both of us. Right. The other day in Denver we made an octal walk, and by the end we were very tired, and it was our, you know, our day. It was our all-day workout.
Matt Vincent: Four hours And also-
Nick: Mountains are truly the ultimate test of fitness. I used to work here, in fact I was not some kind of athlete. I just went out, hanging out in the mountains all the time, and we climbed, we went hiking, we ran or something else. And then, when I returned here and really started to do more lifting and the like, I still found that when you go to the mountains, this allows you to know exactly how fit you are. "Oh, I can do it, I can do it." But then you are, well, we're going to walk five miles to the top of that thing there. This is the ultimate test.
Matt Vincent: Yeah. And I just really like it. And for me, the games in Highland were really special, because I have to compete on the street, and then you just spend so much in the gym. And for me, I always train better for something, and so I want to train to be better on my mountain bike so I can get more miles or thus have a longer experience doing something or being more able to go on a longer trip or, you know, actually something like, I mean, I'm not going to be a hardy athlete of any type of stretching, but …
Kailan: I think now is the time to try this.
Matt Vincent: No, not the time, lose another hundred pounds.
Nick: It's funny It’s funny to hear you say it because it’s normal, it’s a normal goal. Like what I want to be better? I want to be better, you know, in the things that I like, in the types of goals that I think you had in the past, were much more specific. How do you even understand that? After all this very high level power sports, have you been here? It's like, well, okay, how do I, how do I train to just get better, feel better and be on a mountain bike?
Matt Vincent: Well, I mean, man, it's father’s time. There is only so long that you can go through this red line for sports. And I mean, I was lucky, and although I had injuries and the like, I have no doubt that I can become as strong as I could be during the window that I gave him to hell? Yes, I know what I did. Because wherever I press harder, it hurt. It fought back.
Matt Vincent: So, I will not have such a thing, I performed at the maximum level that I could have? I absolutely did. And now that this time is over, I don’t want to be that dude who is still haunting what I did. And with most places I go, I’m fine, people don’t know that I played Highland. Everything is fine. Эта глава для меня закончилась, и я хочу, чтобы у меня была еще одна, где она была бы более здоровой и немного умнее с питанием и продолжала изучать и испытывать новые вещи, которые все еще являются физическими, здоровыми и здоровыми и способны подтолкнуть себя в другом направлении. это не всегда бьет меня молотком.
Мэтт Винсент: Правильно. Нет, это имеет смысл. И я, и я представляю, что когда вы собираетесь в такие места, как Elite и Sorinex и тому подобное, может быть очень заманчиво, когда кто-то идет туда, чтобы быть таким, я здесь. Я должен сделать это.
Ник: Послушай, если в спортзале есть доска для записей, да, есть шанс, что я сделаю что-нибудь глупое.
Бонни Шредер: Значит, он имеет в виду на днях
Ник: Хорошо, так это все еще вещь?
Kailan: Я видел это в Instagram.
Бонни Шредер: На днях, когда мы были в Денвере.
Мэтт Винсент: Да уж. Мы были в Денвере.
Бонни Шредер: Где мы были [inaudible 00:14:14] в?
Мэтт Винсент: Сильные Тела. Да. Отличный тренажерный зал за пределами Денвера или в Денвере, и у них была доска объявлений. В итоге она попала на четверых. Итак, скамейка, отжимания, отжимания, жим лежа. И я сделал …
Бонни Шредер: Честно говоря, там не было женщин …
Ник: Похоже, довольно распространенная сложная доска для записей.
Мэтт Винсент: У них просто была куча вещей. Да уж. [crosstalk 00:14:35]
Бонни Шредер: И так, как и все, все основные подъемы, а затем и движение веса тела.
Мэтт Винсент: Да уж. Так как в этот момент я не участвовал в тяжелой тяге, в тяжелом приседе, но у них был жим над головой, а затем у них было максимальное количество отжиманий в наборе и максимальное количество подтягиваний. И так было весело. Это как ставка 240 фунтов. Я сделал 70 отжиманий. В комплекте. Я думаю, что они строгие кроссфиты, но моя грудная клетка не поднялась.
Ник: Гиннеса там не было.
Мэтт Винсент: Это не было, да, нет.
Бонни Шредер: Эти локти согнуты. Правильно? Он был сделан за день. [crosstalk 00:15:06]
Мэтт Винсент: Это в основном ушло на день. Да уж. Как, давайте посмотрим, высота здесь. Я умираю.
Бонни Шредер: Во всем виновата эта высота. [crosstalk 00:15:13]
Мэтт Винсент: Это яичные рулетики, а не экстази.
Ник: Итак, что вы чувствуете, выделяется в ваших любимых спортзалов? Хотя, будучи в куче из них на данный момент. Помимо рекордной доски.
Мэтт Винсент: Правда это оборудование снаряжения. Как будто есть пара штук, которые, как если бы у вас был порог твердого снаряжения, как будто мне наплевать, кто это делает. Теперь замечательно зайти куда-то вроде Соринекса и увидеть, насколько прекрасна и прекрасна эта установка. И особенно потому, что они все еще новаторские вещи для спортсменов. Но сейчас мне также нравится, например, если я останусь в дороге, я не знаю, Holiday Inn Express, верно? и у них есть дерьмовый тренажерный зал отеля. Мне любопытно посмотреть, сколько я могу пострадать от наименьшего количества оборудования. Потому что действительно важны усилия в конце дня, и люди будут увлечены этим: «Ну, я не тренировался сегодня, потому что я не мог найти стойку для приседа».
Мэтт Винсент: Да уж. Черт возьми, чувак.
Kailan: Легко оправдываться, если у вас нет снаряжения, к которому вы привыкли, специальных баров или …
Мэтт Винсент: И я не хочу оправданий. Я все еще могу пойти туда и приложить усилия, и вот, это произошло из-за травмы колена в последние пару лет, я имею в виду, что единственное, что мне нравилось на тренировках, это удар по максимальным тяжелым подъемам, поэтому мы тогда я закончил Как будто я никогда не смогу сделать это снова.
Бонни Шредер: Так что, с другой стороны, из спортивных залов прекрасного совершенного оборудования я люблю такие места, как подвал, например, складской зал. Где это как грязный подвал подземелья. Но атмосфера в атмосфере такая хорошая. И вы не можете получить это нигде.
Ник: Так как вы чувствуете, что это влияет на то, что вы на самом деле делаете там?
Бонни Шредер: О, ты хочешь идти так же усердно, как и все остальные. Да, абсолютно. Это было, мы были там в июне.
Мэтт Винсент: Да уж. Июнь для аутрич-тренировки их ветеранов.
Бонни Шредер: Ночью перед мероприятием мы проводили тренировки в подвале, и это было просто, просто глупо. И группа людей там просто, все, но это было тонна веселья, и вы просто не чувствуете эту интенсивную атмосферу повсюду. Ты знаешь? Это такие особенные места.
Мэтт Винсент: Очень редко у вас есть нужная группа людей в нужное время, в нужном месте. Как правило, вы можете получить один или два из трех, но редко вы получаете все три. И поэтому мне нравится быть в хорошей форме, когда все три выстраиваются в линию …
Бонни Шредер: Вы готовы к работе.
Мэтт Винсент: давайте сделаем это правильно. Я имею в виду, ну, я не планировал делать это сегодня. Какая разница? Это было бы хорошо.
Ник: Нет, мне это нравится
Kailan: Будущее вы будете иметь дело с этим.
Мэтт Винсент: Да, именно. Это было постоянным высказыванием в последнее время. Я сказал: «О, я пойду вперед и позволю себе в будущем разобраться с последствиями этих решений».
Ник: Будущее меня где-то [inaudible 00:17:55] Мне нравится эта идея о том, что ты тренируешься почти для общего мероприятия, а не для соревнования. Ты просто готов, готов к работе.
Мэтт Винсент: Да уж. Я не знаю, что я сделаю, насколько соревнование идет больше. Я имею в виду, я не думаю, что буду заниматься силовыми видами спорта, насколько соревновательный подъем. Я могу участвовать в соревнованиях по пауэрлифтингу раз в год, в зависимости от того, кто его проводит. Знаешь, я провел встречу с Марком Беллом за последние пару лет, в которую я попал. Похоже, Марк хороший друг, и я могу подняться с другими замечательными друзьями, вы знаете, так что это, вы знаете, я и Стэн Эффердинг, или Милосердие Витт и Марк, и вы знаете, поддерживают вещь, которую он надевает. Это немного ниже, чем на соревнованиях по пауэрлифтингу.
Ник: Правильно. А SummerStrong выглядит забавно …
Мэтт Винсент: SummerStrong – это удивительно. Это его собственная сумасшедшая вещь. [crosstalk 00:18:45]
Ник: Это в Соринексе [inaudible 00:18:45]Это своего рода семинар, своего рода фестиваль силы. Как и там, есть подъем, который продолжается. Там много разговоров, которые продолжаются. Я никогда не был к этому, но это выглядит захватывающим.
Мэтт Винсент: Это все закулисное, что особенного в Sorinex. Если вы входите в эту комнату и думаете, что вы Кинг-Конг, вы ужасно ошибаетесь. В этой комнате нет никого, кто был бы лучшим во всем. И я имею в виду разнообразие людей, которые у вас есть, такие как Руди Рейес или Тони Сентманат, которые происходят из настоящего, да. Вы знаете его, вы знаете, что он монстр, а затем вы знаете других …
Бонни Шредер: Тейт. Дерек Вудске.
Мэтт Винсент: Тейт Флетчер. Дерек Вудске. Вы знаете, парни Соринекса, военные парни, которые появляются. Это просто такое разнообразие людей. Но у всех нас есть эта общая черта из-за штанги. И я знаю для себя, как если бы я размышлял над тем, что было важно для меня за годы окончания соревнований, и все в таком духе, я просто знаю, что в моей жизни дела обстоят лучше, если в моей руке четыре бара раз в неделю.
Бонни Шредер: Да уж.
Мэтт Винсент: Это просто имеет смысл.
Ник: Вот почему я полностью ожидал, что у тебя будет штанга на лыжной стойке.
Мэтт Винсент: Я найду тренажерный зал. Они занимают слишком много места, чтобы переместить эту еду. Как еда или игрушки могут быть в …
Ник: Мне это понравилось. Мне понравилось это, потому что я делал это в прошлом, когда был, я делал это в прошлом, когда я не могу даже поставить осевую балку в стойку для лыж, и это просто, о, вы в конечном итоге вид няньки. Как есть, есть парень, которому я следил в Instagram, и я не могу вспомнить его имя. Может быть, Instagram просто больше не показывает мне эти вещи, что тоже случается.
Мэтт Винсент: Алгоритм.
Ник: Он путешествует с 50-фунтовым колоколом Sorinex в центре …
Мэтт Винсент: Это может быть Руди Рейес.
Ник: Хорошо. Да уж.
Мэтт Винсент: Это [inaudible 00:20:21],
Ник: Это нарисовано. [crosstalk 00:20:24] И он принимает это как международные рейсы. Да уж. И это круто, но я просто вообразил, что должен присматривать за этим.
Мэтт Винсент: Он так не чувствует. Он сумасшедший.
Kailan: Руди особенный парень.
Мэтт Винсент: Если бы вы, ребята, имели здесь беговую дорожку или что-то еще, что могло бы привести в действие свет, он мог бы позаботиться об этом.
Бонни Шредер: Целое здание.
Мэтт Винсент: Просто отправь его туда и положи достаточно перед тренировкой или [inaudible 00:20:46], Да уж,
Бонни Шредер: Значит, он путешествовал с этим, верно? и они пытались проверить это в аэропорту. Это оно?
Мэтт Винсент: Он разговаривал по телефону с кем-то вроде FaceTiming, и он пытается проверить эту 50-фунтовую гантель, потому что весь его …
Ник: Это тоже странная гантель. Вы могли бы попытаться сказать кому-то вроде: «Эй, это гантель». И они говорили: «Нет, это не так».
Мэтт Винсент: Вы знаете, он летит куда-то в течение недели. Правильно. И вот, как и все, что у него есть с собой, это 50-фунтовая гантель. Как будто он, вероятно, путешествует в супер узких джинсах и …
Kailan: Может шарф?
Мэтт Винсент: Шарф и, возможно, жилетка.
Ник: И эта штука, я имею в виду, она выглядит как, она выглядит как удивительная, как цветок, но она также выглядит как оружие. Это мега мужчина, верно? [crosstalk 00:21:25] Да уж. Вы можете отправить мне как, я не позволю это на мой рейс. Вы собираетесь выбить сторону здания.
Мэтт Винсент: Ну, просто проверь это. Я не хочу продолжать это. И вот, у него это есть, и у него есть динамик Bluetooth, пойманный DemerBox, и, они похожи на чехол от Pelican, который они превратили в динамик, и у него там как четыре пары шелков и дополнительная рубашка без рукавов. И он как, я болен.
Ник: И он тоже все время любит ревущие мелодии?
Мэтт Винсент: Не всегда. Но я бы предположил, что это просто, как Халк Хоган Walkman [crosstalk 00:21:51]-
Ник: Если у вас есть правильный Walkman, они позволят вам на любом рейсе – это мой опыт.
Мэтт Винсент: Кто-то разговаривал с ним по телефону, когда он проезжал через аэропорт, и он как бы передал свой телефон незнакомцу, как видео в FaceTime, и теперь показывает, как люди, выполняющие регистрацию, как выполнять упражнения с центральным массовым звонком, как делает турецкие подъемы, и он такой живой и потрясающий. Нет, второго Руди нет.
Kailan: Нет, вы сказали мне, что ожидать, но это было, нет, вы не можете подготовить себя. Он невероятный. Ага.
Мэтт Винсент: Ага. Руди Рейес, удивительный человек.
Ник: Итак, у меня был к вам вопрос, потому что вы оба были довольно серьезными спортсменами в прошлом, и мне было интересно, как, насколько периодичным или целеустремленным может быть ваше обучение, даже когда вы так много путешествуете? Изменилось ли то, как вы видите всю идею периодизации?
Бонни Шредер: Да, конечно. Я не готовлюсь к каким-либо соревнованиям прямо сейчас, так что мой – это больше, чем просто техническое обслуживание, и я работаю над реабилитацией некоторых травм, поэтому я думаю, что я немного серьезнее, чем Мэтт. Например, если я не буду ходить в спортзал пару раз в неделю, это повлияет на мое отношение.
Ник: Идти туда и делать что-то довольно специфическое?
Бонни Шредер: Большинство дней, большинство дней.
Мэтт Винсент: Да, она все еще очень ориентирована на программы. Она все еще записывает свои вещи и каждый день делает свою программу.
Kailan: Вы делаете все свое собственное программирование, верно?
Бонни Шредер: Да да Да.
Kailan: ОК, круто.
Ник: Вы входите, и вы говорите: «Хорошо, это 87,5% для …» Вы идете в это конкретно?
Бонни Шредер: Для некоторых вещей, для моей скамьи прямо сейчас я пытаюсь быть довольно определенным, потому что это не затронуло мою травму спины вообще. Итак, с этим я все еще буду довольно конкретным. Дни приседа и тяги немного более свободны, делайте все, что угодно.
Kailan: Как ты себя чувствуешь, да.
Бонни Шредер: Большинство дней. Да уж. Большинство дней.
Мэтт Винсент: Да уж. Она все еще очень ориентирована на программы. Она все еще катается на своих вещах и каждый день делает свою программу.
Kailan: Вы делаете все свое собственное программирование, верно?
Бонни Шредер: Да да Да да Я делаю.
Ник: Вы входите, и вы говорите: «Хорошо. Это 87,5% для …» Вы входите в это специально?
Бонни Шредер: Для некоторых вещей. Сейчас я стараюсь быть довольно конкретным, потому что это не повлияло на мою травму спины. С этим, да, я все еще буду довольно конкретным. Дни приседа и тяги немного более свободны, делайте все, что угодно.
Kailan: Как ты себя чувствуешь. Да уж.
Бонни Шредер: Да уж. А с путешествиями ты должен слушать свое тело, понимаешь?
Kailan: Много сижу.
Ник: И к оборудованию в наличии.
Бонни Шредер: Конечно, конечно. И долгие дни, когда ты сидишь в машине.
Kailan: Сидеть вечно.
Бонни Шредер: Это тоже может повлиять на вещи. Для нас это работает лучше всего, если мы тренируемся утром, прежде чем мы начнем.
Ник: Угу (утвердительно).
Мэтт Винсент: Да уж. Обычно после шестичасовой поездки мы не хотим делать много всего.
Kailan: Да уж. Твой мозг немного растаял.
Бонни Шредер: Правильно.
Ник: Скорее иди
Kailan: Бедра этого не чувствуют.
Ник: Отправляйтесь на прогулку или что-то в этом роде, проведя весь день в грузовике. Трудно хотеть, чтобы тебя качали, чтобы пойти в спортзал в 7:00.
Бонни Шредер: Правильно. Таким образом, что-то более похожее на тренировку встряхивания лучше, чем. Но да Мое обучение определенно переключилось, потому что мы так много путешествуем. Поскольку я не готовлюсь к соревнованиям, на самом деле все идет очень хорошо. Если бы я все еще пытался подготовиться к чему-то серьезному, это было бы намного сложнее.
Мэтт Винсент: Ты не можешь
Бонни Шредер: Да уж.
Мэтт Винсент: Я не думаю, что ты мог. Здесь нет пути-
Kailan: Вы могли бы, но вы могли бы не так хорошо, как вы хотите прийти встретиться день.
Бонни Шредер: Да уж. Как и Мэтт, у нас обоих были свои травмы. И я вроде как разобрался с тренировками для здоровья и весельем в спортзале. Странно, правда? Вы должны повеселиться.
Бонни Шредер: Это был сдвиг для меня, но все это положительно.
Ник: Угу (утвердительно). Чувствуете ли вы, что время от времени на вас подкрадывается количество силы, которую вы можете создать с помощью этого подхода? Мол, «Ого. Это делает меня немного сильнее, чем я думал». Или вы говорите: «Нет, нет, нет, нет. Я не так силен, как если бы я специализировался».
Бонни Шредер: Да, да. Это вроде как взад и вперед, потому что в большинстве случаев я просто тренируюсь, чтобы чувствовать себя хорошо, верно? И если я счастлив и получаю удовольствие, то это все, что имеет значение в конце дня. Потому что я сам врезался в землю, пытаясь поднять более 400 фунтов. Я знаю, на что это похоже. Это не очень хорошо.
Бонни Шредер: То, что я делаю сейчас, я думаю, это гораздо лучший баланс. Я знаю, что нам не нравится это слово.
Kailan: Я знаю.
Бонни Шредер: But I do need a little bit of it. It's been good, it's been good. I feel like strength mostly has been maintained and for now, that's enough.
Matt Vincent: But even saying balance is a little odd because… I think for gen pop, we're not terribly balanced. We're very active and we're going to do a lot of things, right?
Bonnie Schroeder: For general population-
Matt Vincent: There isn't a balance of like, "Today, we're going to hang out on the couch."
Matt Vincent: Like that shit's not happening.
Nick: But you are in a car, potentially for six to eight hours a day.
Matt Vincent: Sure.
Nick: That's not-
Matt Vincent: I don't veg well, though.
Nick: That's not hard to do. If after a six to eight-hour drive, I don't wake up wanting to train deadlifts the next morning. How do you find the balance between that? I know you have like a Stim unit, sort of, right?
Matt Vincent: Sure. Yeah, yeah. The PowerDot's a great unit that helps from recovery and stuff like that. But at the end of the day, I mean it's still the big picture stuff. It's hydration, and movement, and being able to take care of muscles and anything else. Whether scraping or find a hot tub or…
Matt Vincent: Get moving. Training for me is, basically as long as I am benching, squatting, deadlifting, and overhead pressing once a week, I don't care. I can get the job done. Some days those need to be a higher volume and less weight. Other days I feel like going a little heavier, but as long as I'm hitting those every week, I'll probably be okay.
Matt Vincent: I don't think I could travel the way that I travel now and be very good at the Highland Games. It wouldn't have worked. I need too many days out in the field throwing. I had an outside sales job when I was doing that, but I was home almost every night. Matt kept a full run of implements in my truck and I'd stop in places and throw if there was a field.
Kailan: That's cool.
Nick: I like that. Was it in your truck video? I saw you mentioned the other day you were like, "This is from the Highland Games but I'm not definitely not doing that shit anymore," basically. I couldn't quite tell the tone you were saying it in. Is it a tone of relief? Or disappointment? Or how do you feel about just that whole idea? We'll get to your injuries in a second.
Matt Vincent: Sure.
Nick: That part's done.
Matt Vincent: Well, the chapters done. I mean, how I feel about it is a little irrelevant, right? Because I can be either pissy about it or I can accept it and move on. It doesn't change the fact that I'm not competing ever again. I didn't plan on ending my career when it ended, but it's still over. I didn't want to be one of those guys that's sitting there, and bitter, and pissy about the time that ended. Because father time's undefeated. At some point, all of us have to quit doing this dumb shit.
Kailan: Well, I think it's so important to talk about, too.
Matt Vincent: Yeah.
Kailan: Losing your sport sooner than you expected.
Matt Vincent: Losing your sport's tough. There was definitely a lot that I had to sort out mentally through that-
Kailan: Identity thing a lot of people have.
Matt Vincent: Yeah.
Kailan: Yeah. So much of your identity.
Matt Vincent: I try not to ever get too tied into the identity of it.
Kailan: That's good. A lot of people don't.
Matt Vincent: I know a lot of people, man that struggle with that. And I've been fortunate enough to hold conversations with guys. I remember, you know when Brandon Lilly got hurt, he and I talked a lot and it was-
Nick: His injury was awful.
Matt Vincent: Yeah, awful, right?
Nick: The videos out there. I don't recommend it.
Matt Vincent: He didn't understand but like, "I'm Brandon Lilly the powerlifter." And I'm like, "Well, figuring out how to offer more than that." Just because you're not strong doesn't change the experience that you had in the sport and the time that you've put in. And I feel that way about Highland Games. I'm still a two-time world champion and I still one of the most winning guys that ever competed. That's fine but those days are done.
Nick: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Bonnie Schroeder: It helps now. You have so much else going on with your brand, you're traveling.
Matt Vincent: That's on purpose.
Bonnie Schroeder: Yeah, of course.
Matt Vincent: I like being busy.
Bonnie Schroeder: Yeah. But you were able to channel it into other things instead of sitting there and being like, "Well, now what?"
Nick: And then teaching also.
Matt Vincent: Да.
Bonnie Schroeder: Yeah, absolutely.
Nick: I saw a video recently. We were talking about throwing and it seemed like you were really approaching things more like, "Okay. I'm interested in doing up to the point where it allows me to teach."
Matt Vincent: I think that would be a cool goal. If I can get healthy enough with the need to be able to throw enough to teach, I'd like to do that. Because I think at the end of the day, my competing, or writing, or any… The writing, I've really been proud of. Throwing's fine and then… I mean, I've got 1200 or so videos on the YouTube channel that really started with the intention of just sharing throws with the other guys I was competing with. Sharing that knowledge from the perspective I've got on it. I mean, I think at the end of the day, when your sport's done and you're done competing, there's still a way to leave ripples in the pond that they affect the other people there.
Matt Vincent: Highland Games is the greatest thing I've ever done competing. And has opened all the doors for me. And so, I have a ton of respect for it and I want people to enjoy that sport. It's great. Not a lot of people know about it. It's a great loophole of athletics. If you've were a thrower in college, you have such a head start to be good at that sport. And that sport at the professional level pays travel, is prize money. I mean, I made 25 or 30 grand a year doing a hobby, which is a shit ton more than I would've made powerlifting or playing golf. It was great for me. It totally justified giving that much of a shit about the sport to travel around and be part of it.
Matt Vincent: I want other people to have that experience and the comradery that came with the guys that I got to throw with, and being outside, and testing yourself, you know? In strength sports, it's a little unique too because it's so submaximal. The weights don't ever change. You have to get stronger and build better technique over just adding more pounds. Because eventually, adding more pounds can kill you. You'll lose. Either your skeleton maxes out or Father Time shows up again and says, "Hey, you're too old for this." I mean, guys still… [Mikes Okalwoods 00:07:54] has done Highland Games at a professional level for like 17 years and isn't too banged up. Like the sport's got a lot of longevity to it. I just got hurt.
Nick: Right, right. Yeah. We don't need to get into the… Your videos go plenty into your [crosstalk 00:31:11]-
Matt Vincent: There's plenty of information on it.
Nick: I mean, you had a pretty major knee surgery recently.
Matt Vincent: I've had nine major knee surgeries over about a three-year time period but most recently in April was a total knee replacement.
Nick: And that's the first time you've had a total joint replacement?
Matt Vincent: Yeah. They don't like doing them a second time. Hopefully, this one will last for me. But honestly, the total knee replacement for anyone out there that's dealing with chronic pain and trying to put off total knee replacement because of this fear of it. Man, do it. Just get it done. You get your life back. I was out of pain. The pain that I experienced for three years of my knee of this stabbing awfulness was gone overnight. And was back walking. Now, I've got other issues, you know, up and downstream from the knee but they're livable. They're aches. They're not pain.
Kailan: Well, and you were walking the day of.
Matt Vincent: Yeah. I mean, they've got you walk in on a fake hip or fake knee, they got you walking that day. I mean, how you approach the rehab is your business.
Kailan: Right. And you already being in good shape beforehand helps a whole lot.
Matt Vincent: Right. Even the doctors were weird because they were like, "Well, where are you doing physical therapy?" I was like, "My house by myself." And they're like, "Well…" I'm like, "Look, I don't need some guy to count reps. This was an elective surgery. I chose to fix my knee, I'm going to choose to do the rehab."
Kailan: Mm-hmm (affirmative). And you know a lot of PTs. You're friends with a lot of people who… If you really needed to ask questions-
Matt Vincent: And I do touch base with all those people, whether Stefi Cohen, or Kelly Starrett, or any of these other amazing people that I can bounce an idea off of. Like, "Hey, I'm feeling this," and they're like, "Oh, you're-"
Nick: Hey, Kelly. My knee hurts.
Matt Vincent: Right. And he's like, "Yeah, you're six weeks out of total knee replacement dummy."
Nick: And the knee is a unique one there. I mean, you hear more from people who get hip replacements, they're like, "Dear God, the clouds parted. I feel amazing instantly." Knees can be-
Matt Vincent: Knees are tricky.
Nick: They can be super tricky. My stepmother just got hers done and everybody was in, "Get ready, get ready. It's going to be great." And it's just been six months of pain. And you hear stories on both sides for knees in particular.
Matt Vincent: I think a lot of it is how you go into it and how… The rehab for the knee is tricky and it's tough. I mean luckily, I did eight other surgeries that I rehabbed, so I had a pretty good idea of what was going to work or not work.
Nick: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Matt Vincent: Range of motion is still meh. It'll get better.
Nick: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Kailan: I think how you mentally approach it too is huge, because if you're going to be, you know, sitting there whining about it, and throwing a pity party, and "Oh, I just want to sit on the couch for whatever until it feels better."
Matt Vincent: It's never going to feel better.
Kailan: But that's definitely not you. We can tell.
Nick: But I mean, a knee can be unique too. It can be painful to sit around and painful to move.
Matt Vincent: Да.
Nick: Are you just chasing comfort through that rehab sometimes?
Matt Vincent: Through the rehab, like I said, it was so nice to be out of the pain that I had been in for three years. That the rehab was fine. I really don't remember much of the rehab being like, "Oh, this super sucks." It was just surgical pain and you know that's going away. I've had enough experience with it to know that that's from tissue getting cut. But the joint pain that I had prior is completely gone. Because that's completely gone… I made deals with myself as like, "Look man, I may not be able to ever squat properly again or really pull very heavy but if you'll let it… if the body and the universe will let me do leg extensions and leg curls pain-free, I'll rebuild the leg." There's enough reps and enough time that equal it rebuilding. It's not fun. But every time I go to the gym, I do a hundred or so more reps of leg extensions and leg curls at a lightweight and it all adds up.
Nick: That sounds very West Side-y. [inaudible 00:11:58], I've seen you squatting and deadlifting too though. You are doing those things.
Matt Vincent: Yeah. Doing those things, you know, at a level that feels pretty controlled. For the most part, I don't do anything stupid. Every once in a while, you got to-
Kailan: Push a little just a little bit.
Matt Vincent: Wave a little caution. And I'm not crazy with it. I'm not trying to do max box jumps or anything on [inaudible 00:35:19], I mean, hell. I've even gotten back to doing some running and doing some hill jogs, I guess. I wouldn't call them sprints by any stretch.
Nick: The hills that can be your best friend there. Flat ground is the enemy.
Matt Vincent: Yep.
Nick: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Matt Vincent: I want to be more capable, right? Like I said, it's just I want to be available for something that pops up. I've got a five-day mountain bike trip coming up in September. That'll be camping every night and probably 40 miles on the bike every day.
Kailan: Where is that?
Matt Vincent: It'll be The Hayduke Trail, I think is what it's called. But it's Grand Junction, Colorado to Moab [Utah],
Kailan: Oh, cool. Oh my gosh.
Matt Vincent: There's a group of 12 or 13 of us going and camp every night and ride. I'm excited about that.
Nick: So, Bonnie, you had a major injury a few years ago as well, right?
Bonnie Schroeder: I guess technically last year.
Nick: Okay. Yeah. Tell us a little bit about how that kind of steered you where you are now? And how that affects how you steer people in powerlifting as a coach.
Bonnie Schroeder: Right, yeah.
Nick: Especially women who are maybe new to the sport or something like that.
Bonnie Schroeder: Абсолютно. I guess it would've been last June, where I was having some very serious like deep glute pain. I competed on it in July, which I probably shouldn't have done. And then spent almost a year trying to figure out what exactly was wrong. I had a lot of imaging done, I had tests done, I was thinking it was some type of deep piriformis issue. I had some lower back imaging done and probably the third opinion on that told me that I had a vertebrae out of place. My L5-S1 is pushed anteriorly about 8%. And of course, they're saying this could be what's causing your pain.
Nick: Right. Is it the cause or is it the affect, you know?
Bonnie Schroeder: We also don't know how long it's been that way. There was never a moment of, "Oh, shit. I just did something really wrong." You know? It was more of a gradual thing. But when it was really bad, I couldn't push or brace through my right leg at all. I couldn't stand on one leg to put on pants. It was bad. Finally got a diagnosis like couple of months ago.
Bonnie Schroeder: Yeah. A couple months ago, my chiropractor got another opinion on it. They told me it was the L5-S1. And when that gets really, really bad, your option is to get your spine fused. So, there is no powerlifting total that makes that worth it for me.
Bonnie Schroeder: I want to avoid that. But for a year, I-
Matt Vincent: Because you're not committed to the sport.
Bonnie Schroeder: I'm not committed enough. Not hardcore.
Nick: Fusion is not the end of the game either.
Bonnie Schroeder: It's not.
Nick: People who get fused can still train, can still lift.
Bonnie Schroeder: Right, right.
Matt Vincent: [crosstalk 00:37:54], Perfect example.
Bonnie Schroeder: Any type of back surgery is so invasive.
Kailan: I'm just not interested in having my spine fuse. Yeah.
Matt Vincent: Part rehab.
Kailan: Yeah. And being in a brace for months and all that stuff.
Matt Vincent: Not into it.
Kailan: It'd be a lot if you're not into it. Okay.
Bonnie Schroeder: Otherwise you're fully functioning. So, it's hard to see-
Nick: We're sponsored by spinal fusion incorporation.
Matt Vincent: Spinalfusion.com.
Kailan: You should really think about that Bonnie.
Matt Vincent: We can fuse your spine in an afternoon.
Nick: Give you all two for one. We can book you guys in today.
Matt Vincent: I don't even have any back problems. We'll just do the whole thing just for a better posture.
Bonnie Schroeder: Just put you up straight constantly.
Nick: Именно так.
Bonnie Schroeder: But yeah. It was really frustrating because for about a year I didn't have a diagnosis. So, I was just trying to rehab blindly and doing what felt good and what didn't cause any pain. I competed at the Arnold in March, which I felt okay at the meet. I didn't have any pain during my lifts. After the meet, deadlifting and squatting was just not the same.
Kailan: Mm-mm (negative).
Bonnie Schroeder: Yeah. I was pulling conventional, like a very narrow stance conventional and that was just putting too much pressure on that spot and causing severe glute pain. Loading my spine can still be a little iffy with squats. Like I said, it's changed my programming a lot. Mentally, it's been a huge shift for me because I'm someone that did have a lot of my identity tied to being a competitive powerlifter and being a pretty decent competitive powerlifter.
Matt Vincent: I mean, a big part of your income is online coaching and you were concerned about, "Oh, shit. If I'm not competing, why would anyone work with me."
Bonnie Schroeder: Right. Yeah. There was definitely some stress with that in the beginning and that was not a problem. It hasn't been a problem.
Matt Vincent: In fact, it gives you more time to work with people.
Bonnie Schroeder: Yeah, it does. It lets me focus on being a coach more, which is the direction I'm taking my life. You can only be an athlete for so long right? There's an end time to that. Focusing on coaching more has been great. I think it makes me a better coach.
Nick: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Bonnie Schroeder: Definitely.
Nick: How does it affect the way that you coach people? Do you find yourself at like, "All right. You definitely need more…"
Bonnie Schroeder: Right. Yeah. Exercises for sure but also talking to clients about just rest and recovery. And it's so important to listen to your body because had I done that in the beginning, had I pulled out of that meet last July, would it be as bad as it is now? You know? So, I think really encouraging athletes to be aware of what their body's doing, listening to their body. What are you feeling? If you need that rest day. Yeah, let's take it, Oh, your legs are fried? Maybe let's wait a day or two to squat. You know? And I think that's so important because there's so much in this industry that's like, "No days off. No rest days." Like, "Go, go, go." It's like, "No. Oh my gosh, no." That's not the way to do it.
Matt Vincent: An easy way to look at that, right, is there's not a single workout you can do rep scheme, any program, there's not a single workout that's going to make you strong. It's the accumulation of work done over time. But you can get fucked on a single workout.
Bonnie Schroeder: Абсолютно.
Matt Vincent: And get hurt and then not train for two weeks. The way that you get stronger is what's the most you can do over time.
Kailan: Yeah. The longevity part.
Matt Vincent: Still keep showing up.
Bonnie Schroeder: I have clients that'll feel guilty about rest days or something. And I don't know where this… I mean, probably from things that you see on social media. Where that mindset comes from, about just never rest. Go, go, go.
Matt Vincent: Well, look. I get it, I get it right? I get the idea of not allowing yourself to get out worked but the idea that more is always better than quality isn't the way that works.
Bonnie Schroeder: No. It's let's train smarter.
Kailan: Stay off social media on your rest days and then you won't feel like you need to [crosstalk 00:41:31],
Nick: I think part of it also is just that powerlifting is just getting so popular as a competitive sport right now. What it has going forward is this idea that it's systematic. So, there may be a lot of people in the past that, however they trained it was not systematic. But now it's like, "I'm in the system. I'm doing everything right and you don't want to disappoint the system." Because if you just miss one, the whole system's off.
Matt Vincent: Right. And then people also think that strength is a complete linear.
Kailan: Yeah, which is totally not.
Matt Vincent: Nowhere success or anything right?
Matt Vincent: It's big picture. It's big picture progress. How much did you add to your lifts in five years? Not this 10-week cycle.
Kailan: Right. Well, it's find a program that you like. Find a coach that works well with you and then do that for a decade.
Bonnie Schroeder: Yep.
Matt Vincent: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Nick: Right. For a decade. Именно так.
Kailan: A decade is the key.
Nick: I did some grip strength competition stuff late last year and early this year. And I worked with this coach and I told him like, "Hey, I had this one little tiny five-pound PR." And he was like, "That's great, man. You're setting yourself up for success five years from now. That's great." And he said in this really encouraging way. I was like, "Five years from now. All right." That's the timeframe that… But with hands in particular and some of these things that are a lot more connective tissue and less muscle, it's a decade. It's a hard decade to get good at shit.
Matt Vincent: Oh, yeah. But that's anything. I mean, even seminars I do or anything like that, that's one of the things I say very clearly upfront is we could sum up all the programming here necessary to be like, "If you'd like to get strong, I need you to bench squat, deadlift, and overhead press moderately heavy for the next 10 years."
Nick: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Kailan: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Matt Vincent: That's it.
Nick: That's it.
Matt Vincent: It'll work out.
Nick: And you can never go over 80% in that time and have fantastic success.
Matt Vincent: It'd be fine.
Bonnie Schroeder: Yep.
Matt Vincent: Yeah. You want to do sets of five at 80% from now and forever, you'll continually get strong.
Bonnie Schroeder: Stronger.
Matt Vincent: It's not fun.
Nick: Right. Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Matt Vincent: But I never had an issue with Monday, like my Monday workout being the same every week. That's how you make progress. You do the same shit. So getting bored or jumping programs like that, that wasn't… that never… Nah.
Bonnie Schroeder: But you'll see it.
Kailan: Oh, all the time. All the time.
Matt Vincent: You'll see it because they want progress now. And like, "Oh, I only added 25 pounds in my bench in the last eight weeks."
Bonnie Schroeder: Oh my gosh, can you imagine?
Bonnie Schroeder: I'm like, "What?" Who's coaching you?
Kailan: I'm stoked to get five pounds in maybe a year or two.
Matt Vincent: And it's such a different thing when you're getting those beginner progress. And by beginner, I mean are you still in your first five years of lifting? Your beginner progress or man… The tough one is kids, is when you have a 15-year-old reach out who's trying to make progress and wants to know what supplements to take, and what to do this, and what to do that. I'm like, "Fucking eat food and go to sleep." You have more testosterone in your system now than you will in your entire life. Between 14 and 18 years old as a male, your bench will double just because you were alive.
Kailan: Just stay alive.
Matt Vincent: He didn't ever have to lift weights.
Nick: Yeah. If you just touch the barbell.
Matt Vincent: You don't even need to do that.
Bonnie Schroeder: Just walk in the gym and walk out.
Matt Vincent: I mean, between 14 and 18 I was training for football in high school and I put on a hundred pounds in high school.
Bonnie Schroeder: Me too.
Matt Vincent: Да. You weighed in at 12 as an [inaudible 00:21:42],
Nick: She was a foot at that-
Matt Vincent: One foot tall. She's very small. Someone added water.
Bonnie Schroeder: Added water?
Matt Vincent: Exploded like a gremlin.
Bonnie Schroeder: Aw. I like it.
Matt Vincent: Gremlin.
Nick: Fed her after midnight. No. I think we're kind of running out of time here. But I wanted to ask you a little bit about how you eat too because I imagine you've eaten just about every way. I started, it was like, "Oh, I wonder how he…" Started digging into it a little bit. I'm like, "Oh, okay. He's done this, and this, and this, and this." But you did a recent video that I thought was kind of interesting. It was like, "Okay. Here's my standard YouTube day of eating video," basically. And it was an interesting blend. It's sort of a little bit of fasting, a little bit of vertical diet, little bit of-
Nick: Kind of keto in there. How do you blend that stuff? And how do you do it on the road, I guess as well?
Matt Vincent: Well, working with someone like Stay Classy Meats has been awesome because they send us meat. But I mean, there's always grocery stores in town, and we can cook at camp, or we can cook in an Airbnb, and we'll meal prep to an extent. We usually have a Tupperware thing full of meat that's cooked. Ground meat or steak that's been chopped up, and then we buy Minute Rice, and you can heat it up at any gas station and throw mustard on it.
Bonnie Schroeder: Yeah. Or you stop at a Chinese restaurant and just buy rice.
Matt Vincent: Yeah. Or Chinese takeout places have rice. So, you can-
Bonnie Schroeder: Steamed veggies or-
Matt Vincent: … I cooked rice, ready to go.
Kailan: And veggies or whatever, yeah.
Matt Vincent: Именно так. Dietary wise, look when I was competing and I was weighing 290, 295-ish I ate whatever I wanted and drank quite a bit. Now that I'm trying to not be weak and fat, it's a terrible combination. Fat and strong was just fine, it was for a purpose.
Kailan: Weak and fat however …
Matt Vincent: Weak and fat's no good. That's not the retirement I was trying to go into with sports and so, I've done … I did keto for a little over two and a half years and that really helped with a lot of weight loss. I think it helped clear up a lot of gut health and stuff like that just from eating trash. And then I did Carnivore for eight months and really didn't see a big, giant benefit of that over doing the ketogenic diet. And so, where I've started messing with Vertical diet a little bit as I want to see if I can get a little leaner and put on some size and so, I do that on training days.
Matt Vincent: I'll have rice pre- and post, and I do intermittent fasting during the day with a bunch of caffeine as it seems to just keep calories in check. But where I've really fallen with my diet and my recommendation to people is essentially eat meat. Did it have a face? Green veggies and be able to identify everything that you're eating as a single ingredient and good luck screwing that up.
Kailan: Well also a lot of people ask about going out to eat and I think that single-ingredient rule is really good for going out.
Matt Vincent: Eat a steak. Eat a steak and a potato.
Nick: I'll have the meat please.
Matt Vincent: Yeah, right.
Kailan: Right, can you identify it as a single ingredient? That's so good for eating out.
Matt Vincent: I think that allows your body to be able to digest it like stay away from the processed foods and the more that I look at it now, I think about look at the couple of past generations. Like our grandparents, this World War II generation born in the 20s and 30s, they weren't eating anything processed and so that generation lived into their 90s and were smoking and drinking their entire lives and not getting killed from it. Meanwhile, our parents' generation were sedentary, eating processed food, fast food came along …
Kailan: Cancer rates are up.
Matt Vincent: And the cancer rates are up. Our parents' generation is the first generation that the life span has decreased from the generation before and the biggest thing that we can put a finger on there is nutrition.
Kailan: The food, yeah.
Matt Vincent: And it wasn't like some conspiracy, right? We didn't know.
Kailan: Right, we thought it was great that these foods would last forever. They don't rot? What?
Matt Vincent: Yeah, this is amazing.
Kailan: Sounds good … [crosstalk 00:48:29] …
Matt Vincent: TV dinners and foods are ready to go and we can work more and be part of society and the wealth that the Baby Boomer generation built is great. But at the cost that they lost an idea of what actual food was and so, I think that plays a bigger part than anything else into how well we'll feel and how healthy you are. With Keto and Carnivore or vegan or whatever it is, what bums me out is that the argument ends up on both extremes when the truth is let's talk to the middle who's still eating absolute garbage, because these are the people that need help.
Matt Vincent: If you're eating vegan and not consuming just french fries and beer, great, do your thing. And if you're … I don't think the answer is eating only rib eyes every meal either.
Nick: But those approaches can build these magical connotations. You're talking about no single workout is magical, but people can think very magically about Keto, Carnivore, intermittent fasting. Like this is it, I found the thing.
Matt Vincent: Everyone wants the magic bullet and the truth is there isn't one.
Bonnie Schroeder: There isn't one.
Kailan: And at first just like lifting, you're going to see those newbie gains. If you're overweight and you're getting on keto or whatever, you're going to see those losses immediately.
Bonnie Schroeder: You're eating less food in general no matter what it is, then yes, right?
Matt Vincent: Keto can be super livable and you can do it long term. I've done it and there's a lot of rules of it I really like, but as soon as you start every night I'm going to make Fathead Pizza or I'm going to do fat bombs or any of this, now we're back into processed bullshit.
Matt Vincent: That's not the route. You have to realize that even though those are ketos, they're still a cheat.
Matt Vincent: And need to be treated that way. If you want to go out and have a meal, go have a meal, but get your shit back together. It's a meal. That's it.
Bonnie Schroeder: A meal.
Kailan: That's just it. Any time that we go and have whatever we want, we don't stress out about it. It's okay. We did that, we maybe had that pizza. Tomorrow we'll do better.
Matt Vincent: Right.
Kailan: Neither of us linger or beat ourselves up over it, you know?
Matt Vincent: Nope. Move on and …
Nick: And when you were doing the carnivore diet, were you able to keep it in its place like that as well? Because that's a little more single-minded.
Matt Vincent: I stayed pretty strict on it for about eight months …
Nick: Knowing that it was an experiment at the time?
Matt Vincent: Yeah, well I just wanted to see what the health benefits would be, how I felt. I did keto and a pescatarian approach to keto for a while and I didn't really feel any different without having red meat in my system. My body can basically digest anything. I'm a garbage disposal. Even when I was eating trash, I didn't have digestive issues. I just was fat and inflamed. And so, I started doing the diet first and foremost to do anything I could to help mitigate pain and so, keto and carnivore are super anti-inflammatory, so anything I could do to possibly help my knee was a big help.
Matt Vincent: And so, I noticed the big change in inflammation and how my body felt from those more than anything else and so, when I do eat off of that track and have a bunch of carbohydrates or sugar or anything like that, I do really notice a difference in pain sensitivity to the areas that I've got beat up.
Kailan: Also, your joints, like your hands will swell a little bit.
Matt Vincent: Yeah, my hands will swell up and get a lot stiffer.
Kailan: Bonnie, have you kind of hopped on the same vertical diet? I'm sure you guys eat pretty similar especially on the road, you kind of eat what you have.
Bonnie Schroeder: On the road, yeah, it's pretty similar. I'm a little less strict than he is.
Matt Vincent: Yeah, she operates on a lot more carbs than I do.
Kailan: Yeah, for sure.
Bonnie Schroeder: Yeah, I operate on a lot more carbs.
Matt Vincent: We have a little bit different energy systems.
Bonnie Schroeder: Yes, we're built a little bit differently, I don't know if you could tell.
Bonnie Schroeder: Often mistaken for one another. But yeah, I still have a little bit more carbs. I like having breakfast, I like carbs in me before I train. I don't do the fasting that he does. He can also do the rice and meat a little bit more often than I can … [crosstalk 00:52:20] … he can be pretty robotic with it.
Matt Vincent: But I also like the food.
Bonnie Schroeder: Some people can do that really well and they love it. Yeah, yeah.
Matt Vincent: I can do chopped up ribeye, rice …
Bonnie Schroeder: Yeah, he is perfect.
Matt Vincent: … and if I want to jazz it up, I'll add some sriracha and mustard.
Kailan: Get real crazy with sriracha.
Bonnie Schroeder: Get real crazy.
Bonnie Schroeder: I need a little bit more variety than he does, but not much. For the most part, I can do the same.
Kailan: Survive on the same.
Matt Vincent: Moderation's not been a thing in my life I'm great at. And so, if I'm going to go hard and eat terrible food, all right.
Kailan: All or nothing.
Bonnie Schroeder: Oh yes, I saw it. I saw it in Miami for the first time. It was impressive.
Matt Vincent: We sat down at a place and I had a pizza and then had a 20-ounce steak.
Bonnie Schroeder: Yes, a whole pizza and then a steak. The waitress was confused.
Matt Vincent: She was very confused. I was like I'm going to have the pizza. And she's like well the pizza's a pretty good size and I'm like yeah …
Bonnie Schroeder: I'm aware.
Nick: The pizza already, bring me the pizza.
Matt Vincent: I'll have two steaks, whatever. I've done that before.
Bonnie Schroeder: Yeah, that was impressive and I have more of a sweet tooth than he does.
Matt Vincent: Yeah.
Bonnie Schroeder: So, I like some chocolate and ice cream …
Nick: He's got the meat tooth.
Matt Vincent: I do meat pretty well until herbal remedy kicks in and then get hungry.
Nick: But I want to ask you a little bit more about the carnivore diet just because I feel like we've only had a couple of guests who have really committed to it and I'm just curious about did you eat any recreational vegetables in there or were you pretty much like no, I'm going to eat my ribeye a day …
Matt Vincent: I did ribeye and if I ever threw anything into it, it would just be like avocado. That was about it.
Nick: Are you somebody who tested levels of things throughout this ever or are you just having to listen to yourself?
Matt Vincent: No, just how do I feel. Yeah, how do I feel, how do workouts feel, am I in more pain or less pain, am I digesting? And at that time, I'm living in a caloric deficit as well trying to lose weight.
Matt Vincent: And so, keto or carnivore isn't some miracle that fixes weight loss.
Kailan: And what was the lowest you got?
Matt Vincent: 228 was the lightest I got.
Kailan: And how did you feel at that? … [crosstalk 00:54:14] … what was your highest?
Matt Vincent: 320.
Kailan: Oof, that's impressive.
Matt Vincent: Yeah give or take during Strong Man.
Kailan: Yeah, yeah.
Matt Vincent: That was 320 probably 2008 or 2009 when I was doing Strong Man and then geared powerlifting. And then, after I got out of that and got back into throwing, I got probably 270 to 285 and then toward the end of my career, I dropped down to like 265 and then was a little bit too light to throw far.
Nick: Is that … when you say you didn't like it, is that what you didn't like? You're like I lost my velocity.
Matt Vincent: I didn't like being 228. 228 felt odd. I just didn't feel strong and that was … I don't care for that.
Kailan: And you've been around 240.
Matt Vincent: Yeah, so 240's a good fit. I'd like to be a leaner 240. As soon as I could start fitting into a large shirt, I felt really strange. I don't want to be in a 3X, but single X is a good spot.
Kailan: Yeah, there you go.
Matt Vincent: Because once I get lower than that, you end up normal people size.
Kailan: No one wants that.
Matt Vincent: And the market we're in, that's not what people are looking for and so, that is part of what people want from me and that's also what I want from me.
Kailan: For yourself, yeah.
Matt Vincent: I will change my training and diet accordingly, because I've got a bigger mountain bike trip coming up. I'll start doing more cardio and train a bit for that activity. And so, of course that thing's going to be a little bit better if I don't weigh 250. But I also don't need to be 210.
Kailan: 210, exactly.
Matt Vincent: Yeah, no desire to ever do that.
Nick: We're going to ask you that question again when you're halfway up the mountain.
Matt Vincent: That's fine.
Nick: 210, what was so wrong … this was a mistake. Now, we haven't talked about your clothing line at all, but clothing lines are popping up all over the place right now.
Matt Vincent: Sure.
Nick: And what do you think has made yours stand out and also what advice do you give to people that are looking to build their brand, I guess?
Matt Vincent: Is make sure that you've got a following and a concept. Don't make the coolest thing that no one's ever heard of, so you've got to market it too. It's not a build it and they will come type of thing anymore. That's not the way any of this works and so, I started the clothing line in 2014, I wrote a book and talked about the philosophy of the hate in 2011 and then got asked enough by people following the program to make a shirt and so I did and we've always had an ethos behind the brand of what it's about and what we're striving for and I think we've done a good job of keeping that in the rails in that there's more to it than just how much do you snatch on a t-shirt, right, like fucking Christ.
Kailan: Yeah, well it may have started in just fitness, but it's evolved to so much more than that. It's evolved to very much a lifestyle.
Matt Vincent: Right and I'm making stuff that I wanted, because I didn't want to wear the rest of the stuff that was in the lifting world. I also don't want to make shirts … I don't want to put a barbell on shirts or a bunch of bullshit.
Kailan: Or just a noun.
Matt Vincent: I think maybe that your muscles should show that you're a guy that goes to the gym and not the t-shirt.
Kailan: Can you give a brief synopsis …
Matt Vincent: Synopsis of it? Yeah.
Kailan: … of what your brand stands for those who don't know?
Matt Vincent: The Quickest One of the Hate it's a little self-motivation through self-loathing. And for me, in a very healthy way, I'm not a guy who beats myself up and doesn't have this positive image of myself. It's more of the holding myself accountable to man, you don't deserve shit. You don't deserve progress and you don't deserve to win and you don't deserve to be in the shape that you want to be, because someone else did this or someone else had done that. Man, this is your journey and so, if it's important to you, you hold that line and be willing to hate yourself enough to do the work when it sucks.
Matt Vincent: And it's easy to go to the gym when things feel great, but there's plenty of days that it doesn't and for me as an athlete, I'm not a big guy in the Highland Games or Strength Sports that I did. Most of the Highland Game guys I competed against, the average size of the pros are 6' 3", 310 and I'm 6' 0" 285. And so, I've got to make up ground in other ways whether that was technique from throwing more than they were willing to go throw or whatever it was. I knew that when it came time for competition, that you had not out-suffered me, that I'm willing to work harder. And so, if you're going to beat me, good luck. It won't be because of that. If you've got the natural gifts and talents to beat me, cool. But …
Kailan: I'll still work harder than you.
Matt Vincent: Yep. And that's fine. And that way, at least for me, I knew whenever I got to the field that I didn't leave anything on the table of fuck, I could've done more.
Matt Vincent: I could've trained harder. Like nope, I took third today and that's as good as it was going to go. And that's okay. I knew that I didn't leave anything behind and I didn't give myself the out of oh, you deserve a break or you've done enough. I don't deserve shit.
Nick: But at the same time, it's not like your clothing is just an inspirational saying on a shirt or something.
Matt Vincent: Нет.
Nick: It's much more design.
Matt Vincent: Yeah, it's a bit more design driven.
Nick: Have you gone back and forth, do you feel like on that?
Matt Vincent: A little bit. Yeah, there's some stuff that's got a motivational bit like the shirt I'm wearing right now on the back, it's …
Nick: And your famous coffee cup.
Matt Vincent: Right.
Kailan: But it's unique, that design, you look at it and you're like what does that mean?
Matt Vincent: Yeah.
Kailan: It intrigues you and someone has to ask you what is this?
Matt Vincent: Exactly and so, we have a little bit more concept besides the stuff we put out instead of just a different variation of the Hate Brand logo. And for me, some of the shirts we've put out don't say "hate" on them. I think it's on the inside tag, but this line that we'll have go out Thursday, it's fuck yes or no. That's really simple decision making for me. Is I don't do anything out of obligation anymore in my life.
Kailan: Half assing, yeah.
Matt Vincent: None. Right and so, if it's not fuck yes, the answer's no. Do I want to do that? Eh, that's a no. So, I don't. And try to go on with that, but if I'm going to do something, I want to be fully in it and I want to be completely present and be aware and dive in like a goon and be super excited. I just don't want to show up somewhere and be like oh, this was a waste of my time. Then just don't come.
Kailan: Don't go, yeah.
Matt Vincent: Decline gracefully as you can, but just don't show up. But if you're going to go do it, be in it and give it hell. Everything's a choice and going to the gym and doing any of that and even like what we talked about with this road trip is I'm very excited that I have the luxury of time to drive to the places I want to instead of have to fly, be there for two days, put in 12 or 14 meetings like I've had to do in L.A. trips. I like being able to slow things down like this.
Kailan: Go at your own pace.
Matt Vincent: Right and if I feel like stopping, we'll stop.
Matt Vincent: And yeah, the brand, it was just I wanted it to be more and we'll do some stuff as it grows that are just apparel like our shorts or any of that type of stuff and more minimal branding stuff, but at the end of the day, we make t-shirts. The other stuff's great, but t-shirts are the bread and butter.
Nick: Well, I'm glad we made the cut on your road trip here.
Matt Vincent: No man, this is exciting. You guys have been around forever.
Nick: For freaking ever. Yeah, 20 years, 20 years.
Kailan: Ух ты.
Matt Vincent: That's crazy.
Matt Vincent: My company's been around for five. I've never had the same job for more than nine and so, I look at that even with the brand, I'm like all right, so I've probably got another five years of this and probably need to figure something else out. Am I going to be 45 and still pedaling t-shirts? I don't know.
Nick: But to be clear, that's not all you're doing …
Matt Vincent: Нет.
Nick: … you've got e-books as well. You've got a podcast. Tell us about the other places that people can find you.
Matt Vincent: Yeah, so YouTube, I've been active on for the last seven or eight years. Nothing's ever really gone nuts. I've stayed away from viral content, I guess. With that said, it's not like I had a bunch of brilliant ideas that were going to get 1 million views and I chose not to make those videos, but I've stayed away from a lot of trendy things, like I never did a 10,000-calorie challenge. I didn't want to do a video explaining my tattoos to strangers or shit like that's just not for me.
Kailan: That question comes up a lot.
Nick: Stop somebody on the street.
Matt Vincent: Can you explain your tattoos? Нет.
Kailan: No, I didn't get them for you.
Matt Vincent: Right, nope.
Kailan: Your YouTube is pretty much all logging.
Matt Vincent: Yeah.
Kailan: It's your life … [crosstalk 01:02:57] …
Matt Vincent: It's my life and it's the lifestyle I'm living, so because I've stayed away from doing any of that viral bullshit to try to pad the number of people watching my stuff, I'm also never trolled, because there isn't a bunch of people who showed up, because I did one crazy video of eating or setting myself on fire while lifting weights that they're like why don't you do this again? I don't want to fucking do that, I'm not a circus clown. I was good at a thing and so, I want to share more information in an entertaining way with its own style, but it'll get the views it gets and the audience that I've had has been around a long time and so, being able to translate that into the podcast has also been cool. The podcast UMSO, I've done …
Kailan: UMSO is the name of your podcast?
Matt Vincent: UMSO, yep. For a little over a year and I named it that, because it's not lifting based. I want to talk to whoever I want to talk to about whatever I want to talk to. And I've had professional BMX guys on, I've had guys who do TV shows. I've had professional wrestlers on, it's across the board. And it's all people that end up working their ass off for a thing. It's more about people that have chased a passion and weird how no matter what that passion is, there's a lot of similarities to the road there.
Kailan: For sure.
Matt Vincent: Why did these people never, ever run into that thing in their head that said this is dumb, we should stop? I don't know why, but it's been fun and the podcast for me has been probably my favorite that I've done. I really enjoy getting to do that. That one's good …
Nick: And you still write as well?
Matt Vincent: Yeah, I still do. I've been in the works on a book that I'm hoping will get out before the end of the year and it documents through the knee surgeries. I started journaling, planning to write a book at the end of 2016 when I had the first round of knee surgery was just an ACL repair and a meniscus and I was like cool, take the year off 2017, come back and compete 2018 and I'm going to journal and document how I feel, the mentality behind it, here's what rehab looked like, here's what getting back into training looked like, here's what taking the first throws feels like and then this big build into coming back and competing.
Matt Vincent: Well, that didn't quite go as planned and so, I end up documenting seven more surgeries and then going through the process of that of I'll never compete again and realizing that I won't and then making peace with it and understanding that's not the end. It's just the end of that chapter.
Kailan: That chapter, yep.
Matt Vincent: Right and so, how do you continue to go forward and still be passionate about the things you are and what is this identity? Luckily for me, I've said a long time that my PR's in throws in world championships aren't going on my tombstone. They never will. If that's the greatest thing I pull off and I was 30, I'd be bummed. I don't want the highlight of my life to have been high school football or throwing in college or even the Highland Games. I hope I look back at all those in almost a third-person view of someone else's life experience.
Nick: It sounds like a very different book than the other books.
Matt Vincent: It's a very different book.
Kailan: Than originally planned … [crosstalk 01:06:10] …
Matt Vincent: A lot more …
Nick: You've done a lot more training-focused eBooks in the past.
Matt Vincent: Yeah and even in the book, man, I talk about chronic pain and what that was like for three years. I talk about what I did to avoid opiates and being caught up in that, because that sucks too and then losing weight and why I lost the weight and how that felt. I talk about other drugs and about how cannabis has been a big help with me with pain relief or psychedelic use for different changes of perspective and mindset. I'm pretty open to just about anything. Try not to hold a lot of … I guess bias toward well, that's a dumb thing. Well, I'll find out if I think it's dumb.
Nick: Cyllacibin use for knee pain, I feel like that's a best seller.
Matt Vincent: It's not bad. It could be worse, man. It doesn't hurt when you're on it.
Nick: So, Bonnie, tell us where people can find you as well.
Bonnie Schroeder: People can find me on Instagram @BonSchro and then, I also have a new website in the works that people will be able to show up and follow my daily workouts and also follow along our travel blog and things like that.
Nick Collias: Cool, well thanks so much for coming and talking with us guys.
Kailan Kalina: Yeah, thanks guys.
Bonnie Schroeder: Thanks for having us. It's worked out well, really.
Matt Vincent: Yeah, it's just great.
Bonnie Schroeder: Yeah.