Nick Collias: Hello everyone welcome to The Bodybuilding.com Podcast, I am Nick Collias, the host is here. So, recently, one of my colleagues at work here at the headquarters of BBcom, announced that he was enrolled in the army reserve and is going to leave for basic training in February of this year. And we will miss him, and we, of course, are proud of him, but this news as it sent me into the rabbit hole of army fitness and the current state and culture of army fitness. And I quickly discovered that the US Army is in the process of a massive change in how it measures and gives priority to physical skill.
Now you do not need to be a veteran to understand the basics of an army physical fitness test, it's pretty simple, right? Maximum pushups for two minutes, maximum squats for two minutes and a two-mile run. This is the old way, and it has been this way for a long time, since about 1980. But starting from this year and truly accelerating next year, the army will have a new test called "Check the combat suitability of the army." And it could not be more different from the old test. These are six events, and it is much more than just checking your upper body’s endurance and your running or cardiovascular abilities.
On the contrary, it seems to me that I need some principles of strength and power, which I have seen, as strength trainers and intelligent personal trainers have performed on our site and on other sites for many years, and this really tests them. And, frankly, my first thought was: "It seems like a lot of fun in the gym."
One big change is that he has much more equipment, really specific equipment, such as a trap line or a hexagonal strip, suspended sleds, and a few weights. Plus, a lot more things than that. And only really one element from the old test survived. But before you think, “Oh God, the army drank functional fitness,” or CrossFit Kool-Aid or something else, I wanted to talk about this with some of the people who are really behind it. So, I called Michael McGurk. He is the director of research for the US Army for basic military training. And before that, he had a long, diverse career in the army, working as an infantry company commander and captain, lieutenant colonel, and also internationally at the US Department of Defense. He has in-depth knowledge of army operations and culture, and this project was for him a truly personal matter. He gave me all the information about how the test was created, and what they planned for it, so let's listen.
Nick: Before we really go into the details of the test, I would like to talk a little with you, you know how to understand military suitability and, in particular, your history of military training. You are a retired colonel, and I wanted to ask you what your story is with fitness tests and army fitness tests. Maybe the first one that you remember, and how your opinion about them has grown or changed over time.
Michael McGurk: In 1979, I joined the United States Army in the National Guard of the Army. And the first PT test I took was held in July 1980 in Fort Dix, New Jersey, as a military man undergoing basic training. And I, in fact, still have my PT card from my first PT test. And so it happened that in 1980 the current PT test of three events was introduced. And without my knowledge, my device was in a sort of beta test, because we took a new PT test before it became official in October. So, I took it in July and August, when it was still a kind of diagnosis, and this is what we took as a PT test.
Nick: Oh, well, okay. Did you expect it at the time, or did you expect an older test?
Michael McGurk: No, I was 17 years old, I tried not to shout at the sergeant and tried not to do more pushups than I should have.
Nick: So, what was your experience with this test?
Michael McGurk: Well, so the army has changed quite a bit since then. So then, we didn't have a PT uniform. You were in uniform, took off your top shirt and just went to a t-shirt. So, you had a T-shirt and long pants and sneakers. We then had sports shoes, but you had to bring your own. And we had a large variety of shoes, because we did not have standards for shoes. So, you had everything from high top sneakers to sneakers, tennis shoes or something in between. And we made PT when the floor is divided. Thus, men did PT, and women did PT for the running part in different groups.
And it was a military tradition, a daily dozen that they used to say, you know push ups and diving, climbers and all these different exercises, and then running. And the standard for physical training was then a rather low bar. If you know your American history, the project ended in the mid-70s, so this is the beginning of the 1980s, 79, 80, we are leaving from a drafted army into an army of volunteers. And problems began with recruiting, and at that time we are trying to staff the army. The army probably had about 875,000 people, which is perhaps almost twice as many as today.
Nick: And do you remember what your score is to not ask too personal a question here?
Michael McGurk: I probably should have seen it here. I'm fine. I did not do great, I did not do terribly, I did well. Squats, pushups and jogging for a 17-year-old were not so difficult.
Nick: When you went through this, and I am sure that you had to go through many more of them, did you feel that it was really carried forward, this particular standard on how effectively you worked?
Michael McGurk: No, I don't think anyone ever thought of that. The Russians used to joke that when the Russians meet the Fulda Gap in East Germany, we will fall and do two minutes of squats, two minutes of push-ups and run two miles, and the Russians will obviously run the other way because they will be afraid of our physical skills. .
Nick: Or that you make them do the same.
Michael McGurk: Yeah. This was not the case, and therefore you must understand the historical context and everything else. If you remember Jim Fix in the Running Book.
Nick: Of course.
Michael McGurk: An early writer, running in the early 80s was really great, and the US Army had many thoughts that the days of confrontation of the soldiers were over, and we are in the era of rocket weapons, and that the Next War will have all the buttons. And so the thought arose that fitness is important for health, but not so important for your military duties. You were supposed to be fit, but it wasn’t really excessive. And it was very health related.
In addition, integration, the women's army corps as a separate corps disappeared in 1979, and then in 1980 it became the United States Army with fully integrated women. So, we went to one standard PT test for one army, and it was squats, pushups and two miles. The advantage is that it does not require any equipment, and you can do it almost anywhere. And this is a fair indicator of health. But this is not the best indicator of readiness for battle.
Nick: Of course. Well, and I read and correct me if I am mistaken that the test changed quite regularly, almost the decade preceding this. But then, after 1980, for almost 40 years we had the same standard. Why was this?
Michael McGurk: I think we were a little satisfied, I would say. At least three attempts have been made to change the test since 1980. And they face various obstacles along the way. Either this, you know, the country is experiencing a recession, or the level of military spending is very low, and we cannot afford to change it, or it looks too complicated, or people are involved in it or something like that. Or the choice that was made, the last one before it, was the decision that the new test without equipment was not strict enough to justify changing the test.
In this way, I can develop a PT test that is different from what we have, for which no equipment is required. But the score he gives me will not be much … much better in combat than the current PT test. Because I do not measure what you need to measure. An excellent example of this is standardized strength measurement. It is really difficult to standardize the measurement of force without lifting something very heavy.
I mean, I can develop strength without equipment. You know, my friend can sit on my shoulders when I push out, and this will help develop strength. But when you talk about standardized measurement, it’s more difficult. Because depending on who your friend is sitting on your shoulders, they weigh different amounts. And when you make assessments, you must be standardized, and that is one of the problems.
Thus, in order to perform a standardized assessment, you need to raise something that is standardized, for example, a weight, like a dumbbell, like a dumbbell, and this equipment costs money. And until recently, there was no appetite.
Nick: What do you think has changed, and how have you become involved in the creation of this new test (which we will examine in detail in the near future)?
Michael McGurk: So, I think that one of the things that has changed is the world, I mean globally in a broad sense, the world has changed. We have developed the best knowledge. Obviously, I have a slide somewhere here that depicts the year 1980, and you have to remember that we had a Sony Walkman, and you have a video recorder the size of a small suitcase that you put on your shoulder to shoot people videos. And we move from Sony Walkman to Sony Discman, to iPod, to Nano, to iPhone. I mean, you see the evolution in technology. The same thing happened in the world of sports and fitness. Now we know much more than 40 years ago about how to get people in shape, how to prevent injuries and how to act better.
At the same time, we have seen that some would talk about reducing the overall suitability of the American population. Partly due to the success of our economy and nation. This gave us more free time. We have become more of a society that provides services, but does not produce goods and the associated manual labor. So, according to some people, we have become softer. So, the military recognized this. So, we just saw the need to have a slightly more rigid form, so we developed a new test based on the requirements we place on soldiers in battle. Whatever was born, we have been at war for 18 years, so we see that this requirement is still for us.
And part of the war that we fought took place in very difficult conditions. Like Afghanistan, the mountains of Afghanistan, and the physical effort required to perform at height.
Nick: And some of these things have always been true and will always be true to what you need on the battlefield. Being able to carry something, being able to carry someone, being able to move quickly and explosively.
Michael McGurk: Exactly.
Nick: Good. So, you personally wanted to be connected with this? Or was it something like you?
Michael McGurk: I would say if we are honest, it fell on me. But I really enjoyed being tied up. So, I am a researcher by profession now, but my first career was in the army as an infantry officer. I went to the initial training in private, then I went from the National Guard to West Point. I took a fitness program at West Point, gained strength and developed courses at West Point. I took weightlifting courses at West Point. Then I went to basic training for an army officer, to an air school, a ranger school, a tracker school, and a school of light leaders. The first four years I spent in light infantry, and then another 10 years in infantry units. So, I had a pretty good taste for the physical nature of the army, and I was probably in good shape.
Proceeding from this, the army and I together chose our secondary career in the army, which was engaged in research. So, I began to conduct personnel research in the mid-90s, and I worked in recruiting command, and then in command of the army’s entry into Fort Monroe, Virginia. And then I worked in the army and retired in 2011, and also became director of research and analysis at the Center for Basic Military Training. And so, as director of research, I supervise a wide range of research programs. We conduct research in collaboration with other places, mainly. We have a small staff of talented professionals, and this works best when we work together. So, we work with civilian universities and many state laboratories and research centers.
So, I did research with my team here about iron deficiency among the soldiers. The health of the bones of the soldiers, the power of the soldiers and physical training.
Nick: So, do you have a fairly holistic picture of how your health looks or doesn't look like in the United States Army right now?
Michael McGurk: Yeah. So, when we talk about health, the term we use in the army is now called "Holistic health and fitness." Which we call H2F for short, because we like cuts in the army. So, holistic health and fitness is a system that covers the spectrum of health and fitness. So, we are talking about mental health, we are talking about psychological health, we are talking about sleep, nutrition, diet, exercise. All this together. Because these systems are symbiotic. I mean, they are interrelated, they are interdependent, shared. Just as when you exercise, you work on different muscle groups in your body for fitness. For a person, you should also work on different systems in the body and synchronize them.
Your leading bodybuilders will not prepare well if they have very poor nutrition and they eat terrible food. Would you agree?
Nick: Oh, absolutely.
Michael McGurk: So the question is, how can you best balance this. And it is obvious that we take about 120,000 soldiers a year. So this is a pretty big beginner class. So, 120,000 children in the freshmen class for the US Army, and many of them know nothing about holistic health and fitness. They are not very knowledgeable about how to exercise, how to tidy up your body, how to eat properly, how to sleep properly, how to reduce stress. So part of our goal is to teach them these things.
Nick: So, when you faced the challenge: "Well, it's time not only to create a new standard of fitness for the army, but also to explore what will be most effective." Where did it start for you? What did the first days of this look like?
Michael McGurk: So I believe in the theory of leadership by Ronald Reagan. That is, you do not have to be smart, you must have smart people working for you.
Nick: I believe it too.
Michael McGurk: So the very first thing you do, you start building your bench. And so, I looked at who I worked here. And I had very talented people, but I did not have the right talent for what I wanted to do in the future, and I was not sure what I needed to do in the future. So the first thing you start doing is start to expand your staff and hire more people with regard to the resources you have. So, you go to your leadership and say: “Hey, boss, I first looked at it, and I know that we don’t know what we don’t know. And I would like to attract these two or three people to start with. "And the bosses here gave me a lot of support and said," Well, let's start with that. "
So one of the first and earliest people I hired was a gentleman named Dr. Whitfield East. And Dr. Whitfield East has a doctorate in exercise physics, actually an EED in exercise science. He was a PhD in this field for about 30 years, and the last 16 years he spent at the department of physical education at West Point. So, one of our first institutes for physical training for military personnel would be the US Military Academy at West Point. And he spent there 16 years as an instructor, trainer and trainer, and he actually founded a specialty in kinesiology there. So I convinced him to come to work part-time for two or three years. And then I convinced him to quit his job and work for me full time.
Nick: I can imagine that someone in this position probably also enjoyed this opportunity.
Michael McGurk: Well, and the personal passion of the doctor of the East is a physical fitness check in the army. And in fact, if you search for it on the Internet, you will see that he has written a book about it. Literally, he wrote a book on the history of the development of physical fitness of the army and took it from the Medici and the medical ball to the current US Army. So probably about four or five hundred years of physical fitness. He conducted extensive research. Thus, he has a really good idea of where we were and what we did and where we lack.
And then, to add to this, I brought on board some medical examination. I hired, as we call it here, a surgeon who is a medical assistant. I have a degree in physical exercise, and I was enrolled before I became an officer. И когда ее зачислили, она работала в ортопедии. Так что у нее там был хороший опыт. Я пригласил диетолога, который является CSCS и спортивным диетологом. Я пригласил физиотерапевта, который написал главы в книге «Руководство по тестированию NSCA». И является инструктором по позе бегуна и кучей других квалификаций.
Так что, да, вы привели очень талантливых, очень ярких людей и позволили им делать свою работу.
Ник: Итак, сейчас у нас более 20 минут, и я хочу, наконец, раскрыть кое-что из того, что на самом деле находится в этом тесте, а затем спросить вас о том, как это произошло. Итак, первый элемент – это тяга с тремя точками повторения (3RM). Что, на мой взгляд, действительно интересно, потому что максимум три представителя – это не то, как многие люди измеряют свою силу. Я слышу, как наши тренеры по силе все время говорят: «Вам не нужно делать больше, чем максимум три повторения». Но вы знаете, люди думают хорошо, сколько вы можете тянуть? Сколько вы можете жим лежа? Как вы попали на полосу ловушек и на макс. Три повторения в качестве меры силы?
Майкл МакГурк: Итак, прежде всего, ловушка. Так что не все знакомы с ловушками. Это зависит от того, сколько вы поднимаете и что делаете. Итак, одна приятная вещь в ловушке – это в значительной степени безопасность. Таким образом, если вы используете планку-ловушку за ручки, на которые будут помещены ваши руки, бегая спереди назад, а не сбоку, это вынуждает вас в основном подходить для тяги, чтобы иметь возможность достать эти ручки на этих ручках. бары. Очень трудно поднять шестигранную планку, не сгибая ноги и имея прямую спину. Я полагаю, вы могли бы сделать это, но это сложно.
Ник: Это определенно сложнее, чем штанга.
Майкл МакГурк: Yeah. И так, это делает это немного более безопасным для нас. И если вы подняли слишком большой вес и сбросили его, это будет немного лучше. Как правило, нет. Таким образом, там был большой аспект безопасности. А что касается обучения и обучения людей через это, это было действительно легко. Итак, нам это очень понравилось. И мы пошли олимпийского размера, очевидно, по причине стандартизации на нем.
И максимум три представителя, потому что мы смотрим на общую оценку. Итак, мы рассматриваем все различные компоненты фитнеса, и мы не слишком озабочены каким-либо одним элементом фитнеса. И нас также не волнуют огромные крайности. Потому что это не соревнование для нас, поэтому мы должны с этим столкнуться. И дело не в том, что мы все должны максимизировать это событие, а в том, что мы называем профессиональным фитнесом. Сейчас некоторые люди говорят о функциональной пригодности, но нам не очень нравится этот термин. Мы предпочитаем называть это профессиональным фитнесом.
И наша профессия – быть солдатом. Итак, вопрос в том, какой уровень подготовки вам необходим, чтобы быть солдатом и быть успешным солдатом? И разница с нашей в том, что вам придется пройти шесть разных оценок, а не одну. Итак, мы думаем о людях, которые действительно тяжело занимаются тяжелой атлетикой или чем-то подобным, они часто действительно хороши на одном соревновании. Они действительно хороши в рывке или в толчке или в тяге, верно? Но они не так хороши на других мероприятиях. Итак, сколько людей мы знаем, что могут выйти и завоевать медаль в становой тяге, а затем выйти и завоевать медаль на 300-метровом или 400-метровом? Не так много людей могут заниматься фитнесом по всему телу.
И армия больше ищет тип спортсмена, который, скорее всего, тип спортсмена-десятиборца. Тот, который хорош во многих различных мероприятиях. Потому что работа солдата создает много разных физических нагрузок на ваше тело.
Ник: Конечно, и одна вещь, которая мне всегда нравилась в панели ловушек. Я знаю, что это не самое сексуальное орудие, потому что некоторые люди рассматривают его просто как штангу. Но я всегда находил это более удобным, и просто в нем есть что-то, что напоминает мне, как я рос на ферме, поднимая тяжелые ведра, понимаешь? И я знал, как поднимать тяжелое ведро, когда я был ребенком, когда я был подростком. А потом, как только я вошел в спортзал, и передо мной была эта штанга, она мне показалась чужой в первый раз. Мне потребовалось целую вечность, чтобы даже понять, как мое тело должно это делать? Кажется, что это намного больше … Если кажется, что у него немного больше переноса к фактическому переносу вещей, например.
Майкл МакГурк: Ну, я рад, что ты привел нас на этот путь. Я мог бы сказать вам то же самое, но я рад, что вы привели нас туда. Так что, если подумать, одна из вещей, которые нам иногда приходится делать в армии, – поднимать тяжелые предметы. И какие типы вещей мы должны поднять? Ну, часто вам нужно нести две канистры с боеприпасами куда-нибудь. И как это выглядит? Это похоже на тягу с ловушкой. Вы должны нести две пятигаллонные банки с водой. На что это похоже? Это похоже на тягу с ловушкой. И если вам нужно было поднять рукоятки на конце носилок и нести свой конец носилок, это все равно, что поднять ловушку.
И поэтому, да, это был осознанный выбор, потому что движение ловушки гораздо более функционально для повседневной деятельности в армии, чем олимпийский или прямой бар.
Ник: Конечно. Теперь одна уникальная особенность ловушек – они часто имеют разную высоту. Там высокие ручки, низкие ручки. Как армия справляется с этим? Это будет довольно равномерно?
Майкл МакГурк: У нас нет ручек. Мы прямые, плоские.
Ник: Ох, ну ладно.
Майкл МакГурк: Мы не используем D ручки. Если у нас есть ручки D, то высокие ручки используются только для разогрева, если вы хотите разогреть, вы можете использовать их. Но когда вы на самом деле поднимаете для любого из наших градуированных событий, это плоские ручки. Нет разрешенных ручек расширения.
Ник: И до сих пор во время тестирования кто-то называл вес, который он хочет использовать, как соревнования по пауэрлифтингу? Или это как бы постепенно скользит вверх, и вы говорите: «Хорошо, вот эталон, который каждый должен хотя бы выполнить».
Майкл МакГурк: Итак, то, как мы работаем, это уникально. Потому что ты тестируешь, хорошо? Итак, одна из наших вещей в тестировании заключается в том, что мы должны иметь, вы знаете, что есть ограничения по времени, потому что вы тестируете, и сколько людей вы можете пройти через тестирование. И поэтому, если бы я спросил любого солдата в армии, как быстро он пробегает две мили, они все могут вам сказать. Ты знаешь почему? Потому что они сделали это много и их много тестировали. Итак, к тому времени, когда вы пришли на тест по моей тяге, у вас, вероятно, будет тяга в течение нескольких месяцев, прежде чем вы приедете на мой тест. Итак, вы будете знать, какой у вас тяга уже есть, и вы будете знать, какой у вас максимальный трехкратный повтор.
Но когда вы приходите в тестовый день, мы даем вам две попытки, и две ваши попытки – успешно выполнить три тяги, максимум три повторения. Так, как правило, солдат хочет попасть на табло. И если вы когда-либо участвовали в соревнованиях, вы знаете, как важно зарегистрировать свой счет, верно? Вы должны получить оценку. Может быть, не в ваших силах, но вы должны получить оценку.
Итак, если бы я подошел, я бы сказал, 240, и там, вероятно, будет установлено 10 или 15 шестнадцатеричных баров. И я подошел бы к тому, что это 240, и я бы подошел, и я сделал бы три повторения по 240, что позволяет мне пройти тест. Минимальная оценка теста на нашем текущем тесте, это 140 минимум. Итак, 240 – это больше, чем нужно для прохождения теста. Итак, я перехожу и поднимаю 240, и я делаю три повторения, я опускаю его. И затем он говорит: «Хорошо, вы успешно выполнили свою первую попытку за 240, хотите сделать вторую попытку?» И я бы сказал: «Да». И тогда я выходил из этого бара и спускался по линии к более тяжелому бару. Я мог бы перейти к 340, и затем я делаю три повторения с 340, и затем он говорит: «Хорошо, 340 – ваш счет».
Но если по какой-то причине я потерпел неудачу на 340, я мог сделать только два подъема, а затем я не мог поднять его снова, у меня все еще есть счет, и я все еще прошел тест. Итак, там есть какая-то техника.
Ник: Good. И на это тоже есть ограничение по времени, я представляю, верно?
Майкл МакГурк: Yeah. Я думаю, что у нас на это будет две минуты, как только вы начнете подниматься. У нас действительно не было проблем с людьми вовремя. Это довольно прямое событие. И это не тот, который занимает много времени.
Ник: Итак, оттуда кто-то переходит к силовому броску с 10-фунтовым медицинским шариком, перебрасывая его через спину на расстояние, верно?
Майкл МакГурк: Yes. Итак, когда вы впервые видите это, вы говорите, почему мы выбрали это? Я имею в виду первый раз, когда вы видите это, вроде как "Вау". Итак, вы должны понять, что вы пытаетесь измерить различные компоненты фитнеса, верно? Итак, тяга явно измеряет силу, верно? Итак, что это за измерение? Ну, это измеряет взрывную силу, потому что вы генерируете взрывную силу, когда подъезжаете к этому мячу, чтобы его бросить. Он измеряет немного скорости, потому что вы знаете, что взрывная сила также имеет компонент скорости. Но это также измерение баланса, координации и гибкости. Таким образом, это на самом деле одно событие, которое измеряет большое количество вещей.
Кто-то говорит: «Ну, почему ты бросаешь это назад на расстояние?» И я сказал: «Ну, если вы отбрасываете это назад на расстояние, это то, что мы можем измерить и мы можем масштабировать». Потому что, если мы подбросим его прямо в воздух, я могу измерить, как высоко вы бросили его, но, поскольку мяч никогда не останавливается, очень трудно измерить, как высоко он поднялся. Итак, вы должны идти на расстоянии. Потому что для того, чтобы сделать его скалярным, это самый простой способ сделать это.
И есть немного техники, чтобы учиться. Я имею в виду, что люди учатся, если ты выпускаешь слишком рано или слишком поздно, ты не получишь такого большого расстояния. И им нужно немного попрактиковаться. И это также хорошо для координации рук и глаз и баланса. Это действительно хорошее событие. Если вы еще не пробовали, вы должны попробовать. Это весело, чтобы попытаться увидеть, как хорошо вы можете получить.
Ник: Да, и это не то, что я сделал много. В отличие от ловушки, которая является сравнительно недавним изобретением, я думаю вернуться к 80-м или около того. Люди вечно кидают шарики с лекарствами, верно? С древних времен. И мне нравится это, да, это то, что вы могли бы практиковать с камнем, даже если бы захотели. Но с точки зрения техники это немного сложнее, чем просто войти в ловушку и снять тяжелый груз с земли.
Майкл МакГурк: Это. И тогда результаты довольно переменны. Я думаю, что самое дальнее, что я видел, составляет около 17 метров. Итак, идите туда и посмотрите, как далеко находится 17 метров, а затем посмотрите на свой бросок. Какой, я думаю, ваш первый бросок, вероятно, будет в диапазоне от шести до девяти метров. И затем, когда вы видите, что кто-то бросает в 17, вы поймете, что есть люди, которые действительно могут генерировать некоторую силу в этом.
Ник: Правильно. И они вырабатывают из всего своего тела. Я имею в виду, твои ноги, твои икры, все вовлечено в это.
Майкл МакГурк: Правильно.
Ник: Итак, третье событие – отжимание от руки, которое я также видел, я думаю, что это было идеальное отжимание раньше. Для кого-то, кто не знает, что это такое, это отжимание, когда ваша грудь на секунду фактически лежит на земле, вы поднимаете руки вверх, а затем делаете повторение снизу, верно?
Майкл МакГурк: Yeah. Итак, на самом деле, у нас есть два разных метода для этого. И мы тестируем оба метода в наших начальных испытаниях, чтобы определить, какой из них будет нашим последним. И они немного отличаются, но в целом они одинаковы. Итак, одна из проблем отжиманий, с оценкой людей, заключается в том, чтобы определить, достаточно ли далеко они ушли. Множество людей, вы знаете, что такое позиция отжимания вверх, но что такое спуск? Поэтому люди говорят: «Сойди на руки или на 90 градусов» или «Сойди на руки, разбей параллельную плоскость». Но с нашими мы сказали: «Эй, мы просто все упростим. Спуститесь до земли». Таким образом, он сбрасывает ваше тело прямо, потому что вы не можете быть убиты, если лежите на земле, а затем вы снова толкаете вверх.
И еще раз, это возвращается к функциональности для нас. Таким образом, в армии, большую часть времени, когда мы находимся на земле и должны встать, мы начинаем с самого начала на земле. Итак, если вы укрываетесь за бревном, камнем, зданием или чем-то еще, вы лежите на земле. Когда вам нужно встать, чтобы бежать в армию, вы начинаете с позиции на земле. Итак, вы все время падаете на землю, отталкиваясь от земли. Это одна из причин, по которой мы пошли вниз.
Кроме того, мы хотим сделать это отчетливо, максимально чисто и идеально. Итак, следовательно, у нас есть механизм выпуска. Итак, когда вы спускаетесь на землю, два метода, которые мы используем, это либо релиз, когда вы просто кратко поднимаете руки прямо над землей. или то, что мы называем разгибанием руки, или отжиманием Т, когда вы вытягиваете руки в стороны и делаете из верхней части тела крест, руки вытянуты в сторону, а затем возвращаете их обратно. очень похожи Тот, где вы вытаскиваете руки в стороны, дает вам немного больше активности в плечах и немного больше. И это намного легче оценивать, потому что легче увидеть парня, торчащего руки в стороны, чем отрывать руки от земли.
Ник: I read one account where a colonel who had just a week or two before scored 84 push-ups in two minutes on the old test, only got 50 in this one, and felt like, he said, "I was completely destroyed afterwards." So, it's clearly very different. But it's different in interesting ways. I was wondering how you feel it's different, not only in terms of what it provides, but also just as an experience for somebody.
Michael McGurk: Yeah, psychologically, our guys here will tell you that each pushup is about 30% harder because of the extended range of motion starting all the way down at the ground. And what we have seen is most people see their scores roughly cut in half. So, if he did 50, he was doing pretty well. And it is a much more fuller workout, where you feel you're working more muscles, and muscles that you haven't worked before. And also, requiring the hands, the hands have to be inside the seam of your shoulders of your uniform shirts, so you gotta bring your hands in. So, it's not a diamond, but we've brought your hands in. We no longer allow wide arm push-ups, so you really feel that as well.
Nick: Yeah, that's a big change. My normal co-host Heather Eastman here who's been a personal trainer in town here forever, she wanted me to point out that throughout her career, the worst push-ups that she feels like she's ever seen have always been from people who have done a bunch of pushup tests. Because they had that number in mind, the arms tended to be out, and they would just be as efficient as possible, regardless of whether it was really good pushup form. This seems like, yeah, there's very strict guidelines about what constitutes a good pushup.
Michael McGurk: Right, and so this gets much more of, we'd rather have them do a lower number of very correct, hard push-ups than a high number of poor push-ups. And people really feel it in the workout. I mean, guys get up and go, "Wow, that was different, and in a good way." They can feel that muscles are being built.
Nick: And during the test, can you rest in the top position, or what do you do if you run out of gas a minute in?
Michael McGurk: Right, the only authorized position is the up position with a straight back. So, you have to hold the correct position, kind of like a … Almost like a plank. You cannot rest in the down position. So, a lot of people run out of pushup juice before they run out of time.
Nick: Okay, so what's the highest number you've seen in two minutes by these standards?
Michael McGurk: I think 70, 70 or 80, I think. There are people that can do those.
Nick: That's moving fast on those.
Michael McGurk: Yeah, but you have some people that knockout 120 push-ups in two minutes normally, so. So, for them to go to 120 to 80, yeah, that's moving fast.
Nick: Okay, so let's move to the fourth event here which is starting to get a little bit more complex. It's a little medley of dragging a weighted sled, carrying a couple kettlebells, and then sprinting and shuffling.
Michael McGurk: So, the sprint drag carry is what we call it. It's another wonderful event, because it's combined several things together to shorten the amount of time we have to have people out in the field testing, but to still give us some real accurate assessments. So, it starts out with a 50-meter sprint, 25 meters down, 25 meters back. You sprint down 25 meters, touch and come back. And then for the second lap, you're dragging a sled backwards, and the sled has 90 pounds on it. The handles are 96 inches, eight feet, so four foot each side. So, you drag the sled down, across the line and back up. You then go down and back doing a side shuffle, laterals, without your feet crossing. You then come back and pick up two 40-pound kettlebells, and go down and back. And then your last down and back is hands-free, just a sprint down and sprint back.
Nick: Wow, so that's testing a lot of stuff. There are a couple of implements in there that I really don't associate with anything I've seen in military training. I mean you see sleds more often than not these days in gyms. You see plenty of kettlebells. What brought those unique pieces of equipment into the military? Where did the idea of those two come from?
Michael McGurk: So, they're all functional things from the military, actually, or occupational things. So, the first thing is the sprint. So, think about if soldiers are, for example, under fire. Obviously, you have to sprint from where you are to a covered and concealed position so that someone can't shoot at you. So, the test starts, you're on the ground in the prone position, just like you were for the pushup, right? And you have to push yourself up and off the ground, just like with the pushup, to sprint 50 meters in this case to get away from something, or get to some place of safety.
Then the drag there. So, the drag for us is a replica of dragging an injured or wounded comrade to safety. So, what you'll see with most of our soldiers today we wear body armor, and on the back of your body armor there's a handle at your neck. And so, when you're dragging a casualty, what you do is you reach down and you grab that handle, and then you pull backwards. And that's how you would drag a casualty. And most people can generate the most force pulling backwards, which is why we have them drag this casualty backwards.
And so, it may surprise you to know that the average battlefield casualty for the U.S. is between 240 and 260 pounds.
Michael McGurk: Because the average soldier that we have in the U.S. Army weighs 168 pounds, and that's just skin. By the time you add on boots, equipment, body armor, rifle, ammunition, backpack, water, and everything else, the weight of the casualty itself when the person gets hit is probably between 240 and 260 pounds. And everyone says, "Well, you don't have to move all their equipment." Well, when the person is injured in the middle of someplace where people are shooting, you don't have time to stop and take all that equipment off while you're moving them to safety. So, you initially grab them and drag them out of the line of fire before you can treat them or do anything else.
So, if we know a casualty weighs about 240 or 260 pounds, and you're gonna drag them out of a road or street or someplace, we typically think you'd be dragging them 15 to 20 meters, which is how far you have to get them to safety. So, what we've done is just for standardization and for ease for us, we've reduced that weight to 90 but increased the distance. So, it's 90 pounds over 50 meters, so that gives you a fair representation of a very similar volume of work for that.
Nick: Well, and I'm somebody who's known on occasion here to pull a weighted sled around the property of Bodybuilding.com, so it's a sensation that I'm familiar with. And I will say, it's sneaky tough. It builds up really quickly in you, and the same with loaded carries, even if with just 40 pounds per hand. It can be pretty tough as you get above 20, 25 meters. The fatigue grows incrementally. And I was wondering, has this test really caught some people unprepared?
Michael McGurk: Yeah, so one of the things that we really notice is, when you're doing the backwards drag there, it's working the posterior chain. And then when you switch to do the laterals, you can pick your term. We've called them Bambi legs, or Goofy feet or something. As you switch from the posterior to the anterior, your mind knows what you're doing but it takes your body a few seconds to catch up sometimes. And you'll see this kind of weird walking gait as the muscles are kind of uncoordinated as they try to readjust to it. It can be a little bit humorous, at first.
So, you do the laterals then, so the laterals are down and back. And that's to simulate moving sideways, like if you were in an alleyway, or moving around some sort of obstacle. And then the kettlebells are similar to the trap bar deadlift. It's like, "Hey look, they need more ammunition here," or, "They need water over here." So, you pick up two cans of ammunition, and surprisingly, ammunition cans in the Army weigh about what? About 40 pounds. And so, you pick up two cans of ammunition, bring them down and back and then make one last sprint there.
A good time on this, anything under about 1:45 is a good time. I had a soldier run 1:30 yesterday or the day before.
Nick: Wow. And this is getting be quite a bit of work at this point. I imagine somebody is feeling like, "Okay, I'm four events into this. It used to only be three events. I've still got two more to go," and the last two are no slouch, either. The fifth one, in lieu of sit-ups, I imagine, is a hanging leg tuck basically, where you're gripping a bar and bringing your knees up to your elbows, right?
Michael McGurk: Yes. And so, you grip the bar, and you bring your knees up to touch your elbows, your knees or your thighs. And you don't have to flex your arms, but almost everybody does flex their arms. It's really hard to get your knees or elbows up to your arms if they're in a dead straight, but I've seen it done. And it really works the core, very much.
And so, our standards on this is one is the minimum, and the current max is 20. I have seen someone do 40 of them, and he ran out of time, he had more in him but he just ran out of time.
Nick: And how are you holding the bar? Are you doing it like a double-overhand pull-up grip, or is it more side-to-side?
Michael McGurk: It's more side-to-side for most people. We don't have a double-overhand, you could do it. Most people do it side-to-side. There's no rule against it.
Nick: Yeah, I think we've called that a commando grip before. I think that seems like it'd be a little bit more comfortable. Okay, and then after that. Well, I guess my first question is, how have you found that's superior to the old sit-up test?
Michael McGurk: Well, the problem with the old sit-up test is, anecdotally, soldiers complained that it hurt their neck, on the sit-up test. Because you had to lock your hands behind your neck, and as you came up to touch your knees, people tended to pull on the back of their head, and people would say it hurt their neck. It's not well documented in scientific or medical research from neck injuries. But people didn't like it. And also, once again, it can be challenging a little bit to grade coming all the way up to make sure that the base of the neck came even with the base of the spine. But it was just time for one, it was a change and a little bit better, and a little bit more functional.
The leg tuck is really good for people getting up and over obstacles like up and over a wall. It's very similar. So, particularly if you're loaded, meaning you're wearing body armor or something like that and you gotta get over a wall, you're gonna jump up and you're gonna grab that wall with your hands in a similar grip to when you were holding the bar. And then in order to get a leg over it, you've gotta do kind of a leg tuck to pull your abdomen to get your leg up to bring your leg up and over that wall.
Nick: Okay, I like it. I tried it, it was not a move in that grip in particular that I had tried before. And last week when I was preparing for this, I tried it and I thought, "You know, it's a lot more difficult than you anticipate," because your lower body's feeling pretty heavy at that point. And even if you're doing it with your arms bent, there's a lot of stuff contracting, a lot of stuff working hard. Your biceps are working hard, your back's working hard, your grip is working really hard.
Michael McGurk: And so, after you've finished that, we move you onto your last event, which is the two-mile run.
Nick: Yeah, the two-mile run is still in there. What made you decide to hold onto that particular event?
Michael McGurk: Okay, so my researchers here are all very bright like me. And they tell me that if you believe in the Cooper test and everything else, what I need you to do is run for 12 minutes. Because Cooper's standard is, they measure the distance that you run when you do 12 minutes. So, that will give you a pretty accurate predictor to get a VO2max on someone with a 12-minute run for distance, and measure the distance. So, we could have done that. We could have done a mile and a half run. Frankly, we looked at what the other service has done and we decided that the two-mile was appropriate for the Army. We've been doing it for a long time, we have all the tracks, we have all the measurements. And the two-mile run is an excellent predictor of VO2max. It is better than a mile and a half run.
And so, people said, "Well, we could have just done a mile and a half." And I said, "Yeah, but a two-mile's better." And then it's a question of, how much better? A couple percent better. But it is better.
Nick: Well, I imagine that kind of like some of the other events, like the push-up test, this two-mile run doesn't really feel like the old two-mile run after you've done all that other stuff.
Michael McGurk: Yeah. And it's accounted for in our standards, but most people see about, somewhere between a minute to two minutes decrease in their two-mile run time.
Nick: Okay, so start to finish, what are we looking at for somebody who's undertaking this entire test? What's the timeframe?
Michael McGurk: So, if I were testing you as an individual, and I brought you out here, I would want you to complete everything in under an hour. About 50-something minutes. Because we give you, there is some rest between the events when you're testing as an individual. You gotta remember, when we test as an Army, we got a large number of people out there. So, we normally go through in kind of like a four-man stack as we do each event. So, the rest time is then calculated into it because as the other people do the event, you're resting. But if you're running through it for yourself, you're gonna finish it somewhere between 30 to 50 minutes depending on how fast you do each event and how fast you run.
Nick: Wow. I can just imagine, it must have blown some minds when you first presented this to people because it's so different than the old way of really just testing muscular endurance in a couple of areas and then testing that VO2max.
Michael McGurk: If you look at our young soldiers today, it really didn't blow young soldier's minds. Young soldiers today have grown up around seeing lots of different fitness things, the popularity of Internet, YouTube, and websites like Bodybuilding.com. They've seen all kinds of different competitions and events. There's Tough Mudders. There're Spartan Races. They've seen all these other things that are out there. I think the younger generation wasn't mind blown by it. I think the biggest change for people is that we made the decision to go age and gender neutral. There's one standard for the test, and the standard is based on the occupational fitness required for jobs in the military. It's very similar to how fire departments, and police departments, and other places test. So you say, "In order to do the job of the soldier, this is what the standards are for doing their job." Everyone that does stuff is rewarded at the same level for the effort that they've achieved. Everyone that does 20 leg tucks gets the same number of points.
Nick: Yeah. When you mentioned firefighters and things like that, it did make me wonder how this compares to other branches of the military, but also to other military around the world. Is there really a precedent for a test that's this complex and thought out like this?
Michael McGurk: I would say there're other tests around the world that are somewhat similar. When we develop this test, in all our work that we do, we always partner with everybody. Like I said, "Find all the smart people and steal their ideas shamelessly." So, we worked with the Canadians, with the French, with the Australians, the British, the Germans, the Danish. We worked with these other people, and we also worked with the Marine Corps, with the Army National Guard, the Army Reserve, the Air Force in order to see what the different tests were. Then from those different tests, we developed our test. The tests are very similar. If you look at the Ranger Regiment in the United States, the Ranger Regiment has the RAW (Ranger Athlete Warrior) test which is very similar to this test. If you look at the Air Force Pararescue, they have very similar events to this.
Yeah, we've thought of other people and stuff. What you'll find is across the world a lot of other nations, particularly smaller nations, follow the U.S. lead. If you were to survey the entire world for fitness test you would probably find half of the militaries in the world right now do sit-ups, push-ups, and a two-mile run. I imagine in five or ten years you'll see that change.
Nick: If they want to do that, though, there are two things they're really going to have to overcome. One of which, it looks like there's a lot to teach here. Even using fairly-safe implements like doing loaded carries and doing the trap bar deadlift, it seems like quality instruction is going to be completely paramount in this.
Michael McGurk: Yeah. There is some, so the U.S. Army is working on that to develop the system further than we have already. Currently, we have several different systems. We're training all the graders for this test already. We're training three different levels of graders for the test. We're training a standard grader, senior grader, and a master grader. A standard grader is someone that knows how to give the test, administer the test to somebody else. A senior grader is someone that knows how to set up the test, and give the test to people, and then train other people how to grade. A master grader has typically about 30 days of training in strength, and fitness, and physical fitness elements and stuff, so they can help develop programs to remediate deficiencies as well as conduct the test and train other people to conduct the test.
Nick: Okay, so it's going to go with a pretty massive reinforcement of fitness culture and strength culture in the Army then is what it sounds like.
Michael McGurk: Yeah. One of the goals from this test from the outset were to change the culture of fitness in the Army completely. I think you will see a physical and mental emotional transformation in the Army as a result of this test over the next three to five years. As you know, if you lift, your body changes as you lift. Different muscles get developed. Different shapes get developed. As we go away from some place that has been much more focused on aerobic fitness and distance running into much more strength and power, you'll see soldiers developing larger backs, larger shoulders, larger arms.
Nick: Sure. It will necessarily be a gym presence it seems like around the world wherever the military goes just because there's a lot of equipment here. Are you anticipating having trap bars, kettlebells, flying around in cargo planes around the world?
Michael McGurk: The Army is in the process right now of procuring approximately 40,000 sets of fitness test equipment, so 40,000 trap bars. That's a lot of trap bars.
Nick: Right. They take up a little bit more space than barbells, too.
Michael McGurk: Yeah, but we've got the entire military structure. We're not really concerned about that. 40,000 trap bars, that's 80,000 kettlebells.
Nick: Wow. Will these be in a new kind of military gym or wellness center? Where will somebody be able to encounter them?
Michael McGurk: We will have them at, in military terms, they'll be consolidated at the battalion level. What that means is for groups of soldiers that have about 500-800 soldiers in the group, we'll have 16 sets of this equipment for that group. Then we'll distribute it out to other levels as well. We are working through the process of adding other additional equipment and personnel to the Army, but we're a very large organization and changing some of these things takes time, money, and resources. We're working through that. We think we'll ultimately be very successful. The first step we have is a pilot program that's taking place in some selected units in the Army where we're adding a physical therapist, a registered dietician, an occupational therapist, an athletic trainer, and two strength and conditioning coaches to each element of about 500 people.
Nick: Those are things that aren't necessarily there right now?
Michael McGurk: Right. They haven't typically been there in the past in the units. It used to be if you wanted to see a physical therapist, you had to leave your unit and go to the hospital, right, or the medical clinic to see the physical therapist. Well, obviously that cuts down somewhat on utilization and use because you have to leave where you are and go someplace else. Also, it's a treatment model where you're going to go see the physical therapist because you've injured yourself. What we're trying to do is change that from a treatment model to a preventative model where, at your unit, while you're working out, there's a physical therapist, athletic trainer, strength and conditioning coaches that are constantly going around and they're lending their expertise to you to show you how to lift properly and safely so you don't get injured in the first place.
If you do get injured through an accident or other things that happen to you, the person that can help you rehabilitate is right there with you. You'd see them virtually every day. This should make it a much faster return to full performance for you because of much easier access to these experts.
Nick: This all makes perfect sense to me as somebody who spends my days reading about strength and fitness. I can imagine that there would be people in the military though who could have some initial hesitancy or resistance about it. Do you feel like the response has been largely positive, or has there been some resistance?
Michael McGurk: I would say the response has been largely positive, but not exclusively positive. There are always going to be some people that are resistant. There are some people that have to come to grips with that their job is not always the daily work that they do in the office. As I tell some people, it's a tragedy, but on September 11th, if you were working in the Pentagon in the office, your workday could have gone very quickly from being somebody in the office to somebody that has to evacuate casualties and assist people in moving very heavy things. That wasn't what you intended when you came to work, but that's part of being a soldier in the military. You have to be prepared for that. If you say, "Well, that's never going to happen," well, I would say, "That's never going to be true." We have scaled it so that people that this is less likely to be doing these type of events have a lower fitness requirement than people that are going to be required to do it all the time.
When you join the Army into a job that's very physical such as the infantry, the field artillery, some of the engineering jobs, you're expected to be very physically fit because your daily duties will involve doing those. If you were to come in to the military for a job that is less physically demanding, a paralegal, a journalist, you'll still have to be physically fit but at a lower level than someone, for example, in the combat jobs.
Nick: I took a course from a great strength coach named Dan John a while ago. One thing that I remember that he told me was that firefighters and soldiers as well are sometimes guilty of training like they're preparing for the fireman's calendar, the soldier's calendar, not for their actual needs as firefighters and soldiers. This sounds like it definitely has the potential to help ameliorate that.
Michael McGurk: Yeah, it does, and that's why I like to talk about occupational fitness because there are some workout regimes that what you do may put more of a cut in one muscle or another, or develop one part of the body more than the other, but it's not something that's really particularly useful for your occupation. We've tried to balance ours to make it something that works all the different muscles of the body across all the different elements and makes it very relevant to their occupation. The six events together give you a score of 600. So, far in our trial period, nobody has scored a perfect score on the test yet. Nobody's been able to achieve the maximum score in all six elements. Now, I expect very shortly someone will come in and tell me, "Hey, just yesterday, a soldier out at Fort Bliss scored a perfect 600." That's what we want, but it's going to take a little bit of time, and they're going to have to change some of their workouts because it's unusual to find a soldier that will deadlift 340 pounds or 360 pounds, and then can turn around and go out and run a 14-minute 2-mile after doing all that other work.
Nick: Right. It's a test obviously not a workout in and of itself. It raises a really interesting vision of fitness and training, as well. It makes me wonder if these standards make sense as goals for people, for fitness buffs, not just for soldiers in combat. I wonder what I would look like if I could meet it at a certain level, or how I would perform in other things if I could meet it at a certain level. How do think these are as just human fitness standards?
Michael McGurk: I think as human fitness standards they're really good. They're highly relevant. If you talk to anybody who's a world-class athlete in specific events, they will probably tell you that they're cross-training into other events is what really helps. Some of the world-class marathon runners hit a wall at a certain point in how fast they can run. What they find that they need to do is they need to go not to running, they need to go to strength training to lifting weights to get better. In the past, our test in the past was primarily muscular endurance and aerobic endurance. There wasn't any component of strength, or power, agility, or speed really in it. I think adding those components will make them better in a lot of things. We also believe it will have a side effect of reducing injuries for us overall in the military. As soldiers get in better shape, and they can do more things, they're much less likely to get injured. For us, that's a huge savings in time and money.
Nick: Sure. All right. What's the timeline on this? When will this be what most people or everyone is doing? Is that the plan that everyone from the reserves on up will be doing this?
Michael McGurk: Yes. This is one test. Everybody will do it from reserves on up. We started in October of this year, so we've already started. We're about three months into it, a little over three months into it. We've already trained about 2,000 graders. We'll probably train another couple of thousand here in the next couple of months. For the first year, we're going to have about 30,000 people total involved in this test. That's out of about a million. About 30,000 will be involved in it between now and the first of October, which is the military years are October to October, so about 30,000 people testing this year up until October. We'll collect all those scores and then we'll look at the scores that we have for the standards and determine if we need to make any adjustments either up or down on our standards. I always tell people, "Always count on them going up not down." The equipment that we're purchasing should be purchased and distributed to the entire Army, all three components of the Army, by this October, no later than the first of January, we believe. Then, the entire Army will get about a year to practice and a year to work out and improve. Then it will become the test of record. Our timeline says no later than the first of October in 2020.
Nick: Good. Wow. Are the other branches of military watching this closely?
Michael McGurk: Yes. They are all watching it very closely. Some of them are going to be jealous, and some of them are going to be a little bit worried that someone's going to ask them to do that same thing.
Nick: Wow. Where can somebody go to really learn what they need to know? If they listen to this and they thought, "You know what? I want to be ahead of the curve here. I want to actually start training for this now."
Michael McGurk: We have a micro site. I can send you the link. I don't have it off the top of my head. Stephanie can send you the micro site link. We have a micro site link that will give you all the events, videos of the events. We'll give you a testing manual. We'll give you a score card. We'll give you the scoring standards. We'll give you some recommended exercises to improve on the events, pretty much everything you could ever need to go forward on this.
Nick: Right. The handbook I looked through was really extensive given how far you are away from actually having the speed, the test of record. There's tons of assistance exercises. There's programming recommendations. There's a lot in there.
Michael McGurk: Yeah. Then, in the next year or so, we're producing a new fitness manual which will be called Holistic Health and Fitness, which the Army's number for it is FM7-22. That new manual will be about 500 pages available free of charge to everybody in the world because it's a government document. It will include all the holistic elements. It will have all the weightlifting in it. The physical fitness workouts, and routines, and information on diet, nutrition, sleep, mental health, spiritual fitness, the whole ball.
Nick: Wow. One final question here. The old test didn't strike me as the sort of thing that somebody would do and then necessarily say, "Boy, I need a protein shake after that one." This new one, it's firmly enough in mainstream fitness culture in some of what you're doing that it seems like the sort of thing that people would have a protein shake afterwards. Sometimes that's, in the military I know there's a very mixed history with supplements and just the view of supplements. Is that something that's changing as well?
Michael McGurk: As a researcher, one of the challenges that we have is sometimes when we have soldiers in a controlled environment, it makes fueling more challenging. When you're living in the barracks like in basic training there's not a refrigerator you can go to in the barracks, obviously.
Michael McGurk: One of the things that we looked at is we looked at injuries and bone health. What we found out is that particularly in our young recruits coming in, they are often deficient in vitamin D and calcium. The Army developed its own performance readiness bar, it's called, a performance readiness bar which is enhanced with Vitamin D and calcium into a chocolate-flavored energy bar. When you're in basic training we give you one of those bars every evening. The reason we give it in the evening is because if you understand the military, you have your first meal at about 7:30, 8:00 in the morning. You have lunch around noon. You have your evening meal somewhere around 5:00 PM. If your evening meal is at 5:00 PM, and you're going to your fitness workout the next morning at 6:00 AM, you've gone 13 hours without eating, which some people think is less than optimal.
Michael McGurk: What we do is we pass out this fitness bar in the evening with the calcium, and the vitamin D, and the chocolate, and the calories in it at about 8:00 in the evening. They eat it between 8:00 and 9:00 in the evening. That helps tide them over for the night and gives them the extra calcium and the vitamin D to help build strong bones.
Nick: Okay, so it's not just necessarily just a vitamin D and calcium bar. There're some calories, maybe some protein in there, as well?
Michael McGurk: Yes.
Nick: Wow. Well, thank you for talking with me Michael McGurk. This has been really interesting. I'm very curious to see how this develops over time.
Michael McGurk: All right. I appreciate talking with you too. I hope this works out well for you. As always, we're available. We don't editorialize, but we're always happy to amend statements of fact if you need a clarification on something.
Nick: I really appreciate that.
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